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The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« on: Saturday 18 October 08 12:37 UTC (UK) »

Thomas Hawkes died 9th June 1843 at the Union Workhouse in Walsall Foreign. He was 81 years old and his occupation was listed as plater. He died from "old age" At the time of death Henry Addenbrock /Addenbrook was listed as the Master of the Union Workhouse. Where would Thomas have been buried ? and what other records would be available regarding my man?
Thanks and look forward to your help
Jill
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 October 08 13:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill  Wink

You might find this site interesting -

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Walsall/Walsall.shtml

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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 October 08 13:40 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley Thanks Judy i will have a look at that right now.
Jill  Smiley
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 October 08 13:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill,
I've always been curious about 'Walsall Foreigh', but this site explains it:
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/onlinegazetteer/Online+Gazetteer+-+Walsall.htm
So, if you can't find your ancestor buried at the workhouse church (if they used a particular one), then the churches mentioned here might have been open at the time and might prove a solution to finding him.
Good luck - hope this helps.
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 October 08 14:08 UTC (UK) »

Hello Pauline
Cheers and Thank You for your kind help. Smiley
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 October 08 14:18 UTC (UK) »

Would old age have been a reason for Thomas to have ended up in the Workhouse?Huh or would his family put him there or disowned him Huh
Jill
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 October 08 14:48 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill,
I recently went on a visit to The Southwell Workhouse, near Nottingham, and found it really interesting.
Here, the old and infirm were separated from the able-bodied - even the recreation areas were separate. I gather that the old and infirm were felt to have a right to care, if they needed it, or their family could not provide it. And, I suppose there might be many reasons a family could not help.
Apparently the old and infirm were referred to as 'blameless' or deserving' poor!
Mainly people who could no longer work due to age-related disabilities, although they might have worked all their lives. Some would have lived in cottages 'tied' to their job and so lost their home with their iincome.  Many of the blameless poor were those without families to support them. Althought couples might be admitted, it was more common for an elderly person to find they needed help after their spouse had died, so there were many unattached people in workhouses.
I didn't realise until I went on the visit that they had to apply to go in, and to leave!!!
Hope you find it interesting - I did!
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 October 08 23:12 UTC (UK) »

Thank You again Pauline for your reply. It certainly makes sense as to what you have explained.
Jill Smiley
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 October 08 18:34 UTC (UK) »

Hello Jill, try an email to Walsall Archives, they are very helpful, and traced a burial for one of my relatives. Burials around that period were usually interned in Queen Street Cemetery, close to the Manor Road Workhouse. The Workhouse is now part of the Manor Hospital,Walsall...Mick
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 October 08 23:11 UTC (UK) »

great suggestion and thanks for that Mick. Do you know if it was ususal for the families of relatives to put their folk into these homes and still be living elsewhere.
Jill
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 23 October 08 14:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill,
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you - I've been searching for some sites for another thread.
Anyway, here is an excerpt from a really good book, which is worth a read:
In 1900 about 30%  of the population over the age of 70 were in the workhouse. Indeed the older the individual was, the more likely it was that he or she would be cared for by the Poor Law authorities................Elderly men and women entered the workhouse mainly because they could no longer look after themselves, were not respectable enough to secure election to a charity-run almshouse or had nobody either willing or able to care for them.
He also says that a few old people went in voluntarily and paid towards their stay - some because they didn't want to be a burden on their family(and he quote an example of one man - 'because he could not stand the noise made by his grandchildren and wanted peace and quiet'.)
In case you'd like to buy/borrow a copy of the book it is:
Workhouse by Simon Fowler
ISBN 978-1-905615-03-2

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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 25 October 08 02:05 UTC (UK) »

Once again thank you for your excellent replys and suggestions. I will follow this up and see if i can borrow this from our local library.
Jill Smiley
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 25 October 08 10:00 UTC (UK) »

Dear Researchers 
Have located my man in the St.Matthews parish church. Does anyone have or able to obtain a photograph of St.Matthews Church / churchyard and also the Manor Hospital which was the old workhouse in Wasall.
Any way to find out if there is a headstone?
Cheers Jill
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 25 October 08 10:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill

There are a couple of modern photos of the workhouse on the site I posted earlier.

Also, if you google St Matthew's Church Walsall, then click on images, there are lots of photos of the church available  Cheesy
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Re: The Union Workhouse Walsall foreign
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 25 October 08 11:29 UTC (UK) »

 Wink Yes gotcha Judy. I was most impressed with the image site of Walsall.
Jill
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