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deb usa
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ooo That's great ... now to find the connection ...
I have seen a lot of brothers marry a lot of sisters (well you know , not their own sisters ...eeekkk you know what I mean LOL)
I have been doing some painting so need to rethink ...but they do seem soooo closely related ...
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi
I have Eliza wife of James being born circa 1816 Stansted Herts on the 1851 census ... By 1861 and in 1871 his wife Eliza is born Islington 
I wonder if there were two marriages for James ..there is also a five year gap between Olive and Henry being born. The elder of his children were all born Kent then henry and Rosa come along and are born Essex.
There is this marriage James Hedges = Eliza Elizabeth Staines (on same page)
jun q 1864
Romford Essex
Vol 4a p 125
also remember Job his 'brother' married Married on Dec 28th the same year (Job HEDGES aged 40 Batchelor occupation Hawker Living Romford Father William HEDGES Occupation Labourer)
need another cup of coffee ...will be back LOL
deb 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi jenny
OMG ...all these same names ...
yes I have James on the 1851 and 1861 ...1871 he is next door to job Jnr
1851 from page 1 or 2
1851
transcribed under Hedgis ..def Hedges
St Mary, Kent
travelling house cart standing in Barns st
James Hedgis head mar 36 dealer in mats b Plumsted
Eliza wife 35 b HERTS STANSTED
Esther 14 b Kent Stone
Sophia 12 b Plumsted
Sebena 11 b lidgen
Golias 9 b b Aylesford refered to in 1861 as Elias
Elijah 5 b Cliffe
Alfred 3 b Cliffe
Olive 3 months b Cliffe
children b Kent
Eliza's POB has been transcribed as Kent Stansted ...but def looks like HERTS ...not even like the Kent in all other POB.
I will send you a copy ..
1861Elsenham
List of persons not in houses
caravan
James Hedger mar 45 Mat maker b Plumbsted
Eliza wife 45 hawker Middlesex Islington
Selina 21 b Kent Budyar ?
Elias son 18 ..could he be Golias? hawker b Eltham/Elsenham? Kent
Elijah son 16 hawker b Stroud Kent
Alfred son 14 b Hoo Kent
Oliph (sic) dau 10 b Chalk Kent
Henry 5 b Essex Moreton
Rosa 3 b Essex Chelmsford
so do you think they may be different women ?
Have you followed James s/o Job through the censuses ?
deb also confused 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Jenny
Thanks
and yes, it is very common to have all this confusion with Gypsies/travellers, especially since they are not always found on the census returns. Also a lot of them did not know where they were born , which obviously adds to the 'chaos' LOL
Re; Eliza b Herts or Islington ... I think that the easier but obviously expensive way to go , would be to order the birth certs of an older and younger child.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if say Henry or Rosa's cert revealed that their mum was the Staines girl ...you would then have a marriage cert that you could order to see who James' (one of the suspected brothers) dad was ...
I am still hoping that one of the censuses will hold the clue
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Nennefer
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Hi Jenny Thanks and yes, it is very common to have all this confusion with Gypsies/travellers, especially since they are not always found on the census returns. Also a lot of them did not know where they were born , which obviously adds to the 'chaos' LOL Re; Eliza b Herts or Islington ... I think that the easier but obviously expensive way to go , would be to order the birth certs of an older and younger child. Wouldn't it be wonderful if say Henry or Rosa's cert revealed that their mum was the Staines girl ...you would then have a marriage cert that you could order to see who James' (one of the suspected brothers) dad was ... I am still hoping that one of the censuses will hold the clue deb
Yes I see that sounds like an excellent idea. I will do that.
As you say might find more on the Census yet so will hold off from ordering for a very little while.
With your help we are forming a plan which is much more than I had a few days ago.
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PRINGLE. Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire
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Nennefer
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Another evening searching and I found this it is Alfred s/o William HEDGES
Not much use for our purpose of connecting the brothers, but something at least. No new information though.
Jenny
Household: 1881
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred HEDGES Head M Male 34 Frindsbury, Kent, England Genl Labr
Eliza HEDGES Wife M Female 33 Maidstone, Kent, England
John HEDGES Son Male 15 Chatham, Kent, England Ag Labr
Thomas HEDGES Son Male 13 Chatham, Kent, England Scholar
Alfred HEDGES Son Male 11 Chatham, Kent, England Scholar
James HEDGES Son Male 9 Chatham, Kent, England Scholar
Albert HEDGES Son Male 6 Strood, Kent, England Scholar
William HEDGES Son Male 5 Strood, Kent, England Scholar
Frances HEDGES Daur Female 2 Strood, Kent, England
Esther HEDGES Daur Female 6 m Strood, Kent, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling The Orchard
Census Place Strood, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341209
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0882 / 25
Page Number 44
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PRINGLE. Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire
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IgorStrav
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Hi Nennefer
Just to alert you on the Kent board we have some research going on into the Cooley and Cork families, which links into your marriage of John Hedges to Jane Cooley in 1878.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,338879.0.html
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Pay, Kent. Barham, Kent. Cork(e), Kent. Cooley, Kent. Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich. Cotterill, Derbys. Van Steenhoven, Belgium/East London. Burton, East London. Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
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Janice77
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Hi there- I am not quite sure if this is what you are looking for, but my great-great-grandmother's name was Albey Hedges, and she married Alfred Cumbers, and was located in Romford, Essex & Herts. She reportedly was a traveller, but that is all the information that I have on her. If she is related to the brothers, please let me know, as this would help fill in some gaps. She had about 12 children and seems to have given birth to Elias (1885) in Tralon, Kent, Eliza (1887) Southend-on sea, and Olive (1891) & Alice (1892) in Flamstead, Herts. It would be wonderful to know more.
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deb usa
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Hi Janice
Welcome to Rootschat! 
Do you have any other info on Albey Hedges...ie when married, where and when born, parents names ? Hopefully we will be able to help you.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Janice77
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Hi Deb: Thanks for your reply. I am trying to find that information, but I do know that she was 16 when she got married, and her first child was born in 18885, so I am guessing that she was probably born in 1868, and that she must have been married some time around 1884, maybe. Does that tie in with the brothers? I have some distant cousins who have gone more into this and I can get some information from them, but it will take time.
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