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Janice77
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OK. Albey was born around 1862 or 1865 in Dartford, Kent. Her parents were Elias Hedges and Alice (?), Elias Hedges was born (?) 1844 in Dartford Kent. The siblings names were: Ailene 1867; Elijah 1871; Henery 1877; Charlotte 1874; Phoebe 1878; and Celia 1880.
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Janice77
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One more thing, she married Alfred Cumbers May 7, 1883.
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Janice77
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Dear Jennifer and Deb:
I think I have figured out something (maybe). It seems that my great-great grandmother, Albey Hedges (married name Cumbers) had a father called Elias and a mother called Alice. The father, Elias and Alice, then had at least 6 children, one of whom was Elijah. According to the October 25th post reply, Elijah was one of the names that also came up in their history. Since all of these names more or less run through my maternal family history, (Esther, Phoebe, Henry, Elias, and Elijah), I think we are on to something.
My mother was brought up by her grandmother, Albey, and she told me that her grandmother's family sold carpets and used to come through Romford once and a while on their travels. My great-aunt Liza (Eliza) confirmed this. Liza's daughter was also called Phoege.
Does any of this mean anything to you guys?
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deb usa
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Hi Janice
Thanks for all your info ...I do have a recollection of coming across an Alby/Alvy ..it's late here so I will reread and scout around in the morning.
Hope Jenny comes back soon ... 
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Jenny and Janice
Okay trying to connect you both and I def think everything fits.
Jenny comes from the line of William Hedges (1816) 'brother' of James (1815), James being Janice's line .
So starting with 1881
1881
Caravan
Elias Hedges 37 mar licensed hawker b Aylesford Kent>>>> Janice's GGG Grandfather
Alice wife 35 b Kent St mary
Alvy/Alby 16 b Dartford Kent >>>>> Janice's GG Grandmother
sibs;
Olive 14 b Southfleet Kent ...this could be the Aileen you refered to
Elias 12 b Kirnson Kent
Elijah 10 b Erith Kent
Lottie 7 b Sussex Raleigh
Thomas 5 Kent Sittingbourne
Henry 4 b Essex Woodford
Phoebe 3 b Essex Weathersfield
Celia 11months b essex Romford
In 1871
Living 'next door' To James Hedges , 55 is Job hedges 27 s/o Job snr 'supposed brother of James ...also next door is
Elias Hedges , 27 b Berks, his wife Alice 22 b Kent and children:
Elvy 6b Dartford Kent,
Olive 4, Kent Southfleet
Elias 3 Kinson
Elijah 1 Erith
1861
Elsenham
List of persons not in houses
caravan
James Hedger mar 45 Mat maker b Plumbsted>> Janice's GGGG Grandfather
Eliza wife 45 hawker Middlesex Islington
Selina 21 b Kent Budyar ?
Elias son 18 ..could he be Golias? hawker b Eltham/Elsenham? Kent ....Janice's GGG Grandfather
Elijah son 16 hawker b Stroud Kent
Alfred son 14 b Hoo Kent
Oliph (sic) dau 10 b Chalk Kent
Henry 5 b Essex Moreton
Rosa 3 b Essex Chelmsford
1851
transcribed under Hedgis ..def Hedges
St Mary, Kent
travelling house cart standing in Barns st
James Hedgis head mar 36 dealer in mats b Plumsted
Eliza wife 35 b HERTS STANSTED
Esther 14 b Kent Stone
Sophia 12 b Plumsted
Selena 11 b lidgen
Golias 9 b b Aylesford refered to in 1861 as Elias
Elijah 5 b Cliffe
Alfred 3 b Cliffe
Olive 3 months b Cliffe
children b Kent
hope this helps
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi again
i also cannot find the marriage of elias Hedges to Alice ??
the only way to find her maiden name would be to order one of the children's birth certs;
possible registrations;
Elvy Hedges
june q 1865
Dartford Kent
vol 2a pg 303
Elijah Hedges
mar q 1870
Dartford < kent
vol 2a pg 383
Elias Hedges
jun q 1868
Sevenoaks Kent
Vol 2a pg 499
Phoebe Hedges
mar q 1878
Braintree Essex
4a 433
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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trying to find the connection
Jenny has the three "brothers" all at the same place at the same time having their children christened ;
OK Iwill list the Christenings I have. For the children I don't have a christening for I will put Approx date of birth and place according to Census returns.
Children of James Hedges ..... Janice's line
Esther Christened 14 June 1835 Dartford Kent
Sophia Christening Not Known born 1839 plumbsted Kent
Selina Christened 12 July 1840 Lidsing Kent
Golias/Elias Christening Not Known Born 1942 Aylesford kent...... Janice's GGG Grandfather
Elijah Christening Not Known born 1845 Cliffe Kent
*Alfred christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
Olive Christening Not Known born 1851 Cliffe Kent
Children of William Hedges b 1816 in Underriver Kent and francis/fanny Jennings.. Jenny's line
William Christening Not Known born 1832 Town Malling or Wateringbury Kent (My Line)
Sampson Christening Not Known born 1839 Gillingham Kent
Joseph Christened 9 April 1843 Halling Kent
Alfred Christening Not Known born 1845 Borstal Rochester Kent
*John Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent.
Children of Job Hedges
William Christening Not Known born 1838 Tonbridge Wells Kent
Harriet Christened 27 Sept 1840 Yalding Kent
Job Christening Not Known born 1843 Breadhurst Kent.
James Christened 11 May 1845 Hoo Kent
*Jeremiah Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
The 1871 census seems to be the only real link btween 'brothers' James and Job ...now we have to find William's family near/with the other brother's families ...arrggghhhhhhh
In 1871 Romford Essex in Caravans
James Hedges 55 and family ....Janice's line
Job jnr s/o Job snr (one of the brothers)
Elias Hedges and family s/o James
so Elias is with his dad, James, and 'cousin', Job
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Janice77
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Hi Dbe: Thanks for your reply. I think that Albey might be Alvey (my mother was actually called Elvina). If so, and she was the eldest and was born in 1865, we might assume that Elias and Alice were married somewhere around 1864? Probably in Kent? Where do you fit in the family, Deb? I will try to contact my other relatives and see what they have to say. J.
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deb usa
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Hi Janice
Yes ...it certainly seems that Albey was christened/named Alvey/Elvy. i cannot spot the marriage anywhere ... maybe they married years later or not. i will keep looking.
I am not part of the family .... i was just helping jenny find her people. i do have gypsies in my family ...they are the Penfold/Orchard and James people from Wiltshire, Devon and Cornwall.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Janice77
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That was nice of you ... so hard to get connected when your people are travellers.
I wish I had paid more attention when I was younger. My great-great grandmother (Alby/Alvy) and was alive and also the other siblings, so I could have asked so many questions. Now it is too late unfortunately. I still have an aunt Phoebe, whose mother was Eliza. I wanted to tell Deb that when Alvy/Alby died, there was a write up in the paper (according to my grandmother) that said there were so many travellers at her funeral that they blocked the roads with their wagons!! I think she died in Wickford (she lived her latter life in Pitsea).
I hope you have more luck connecting with your family. I don't know too much about that part of England, but if anything comes my way, I will send it on to you. J.
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Janice77
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Deb: I just found a we-page in UK called Romanygenes. You might want to try it.
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deb usa
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Hi Jenny
How wonderful is this ...although you may never 'prove' the connection it is very likely that you are all related .... if it had not been for the 3 'cousin' being baptised the same date in the same place , you may never have known ....
I am still searching for a census where maybe a cousin/neice/nephew is listed along with the others. Maybe there is a marriage cert out there where a witness may be the proof you need .... never give up !!!!
I am happy to help ...especially when new live connections are made.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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ooooo I can't wait 
I wonder if Janice has details on Alby/Alvy's funeral ...a newspaper clipping or something ...it may state who the family were that attended.....
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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