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deb usa
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AHA I think this may be Ruthie 
Ruth Hedger
bc 1867
died Dec q 1867
Chelmsford Essex
Vol 4a p 89
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Nennefer
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Samson Hedges
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AHA I think this may be Ruthie Ruth Hedger bc 1867 died Dec q 1867 Chelmsford Essex Vol 4a p 89 deb
Looks like that must be her. How sad. Good work finding that one. I will send for Certificates as I am Curious as to why they lost them thank you.
jenny
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PRINGLE. Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire
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deb usa
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Hi Jeeny
Imagine losing 2 within 6+ months 
I wonder if we can find some more baptisms of the 'brother's' children all together as you did with the baptisms in Hunton.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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This is amazing ... Could it be possible that there are two Jobs with same wife and children's names in same area at the same time ....  In 1851 we have this; I see Job Hedges in 1851 transcribed as HODGES Caravans Long Lane Bexley Job Hodges head mar residing in traveller's caravan/hawker b Berks Windsor Rosa wife 32 b Sussex William son 13 b Tonbridge wells Kent Harriet 11 unemployed b kent Barning? Job son 8 b Kent Braidhurst ....bc 1843 James son 6 b Kent Cliffe Jeremiah son 2 b Sussex he def. fits with the Job in 1871 with 'uncle' James Job Hedges age 27 Licensed Hawker Born Breadhurst Kent so who is Job bc 1841 , POB Unknown? could he be the same guy or a relative ... will look in 1861 ...although without POB who knowa what we will find ? deb
I don't think it likely that we have 2 Job's with the same wife and children as when doing my research Job alone seems to be an unusual name in the South East of England.
More likely I think that we have some one who knew Job and Phoebe and didn't want the authorities knowing their real names so borrowed Job and Phoebe's family details, however they may not have known such personal details as where they were born. Job was born in Breadhurst, Kent. So I suspect that the Census with no known birthplaces is not the real Job and Phoebe. Just someone posing as them.
Another possibility could be that they were listed as being presant by someone else as they were due to arrive by the night of the census but hadn't at that point and as such got listed twice. Long shot I know.
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PRINGLE. Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire
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Hi Jeeny Imagine losing 2 within 6+ months I wonder if we can find some more baptisms of the 'brother's' children all together as you did with the baptisms in Hunton. deb
To save covering ground I have already done I can list those Christenings that I already have. It will take me a little while to post them. I will get started listing them Give me a little while.
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PRINGLE. Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire
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deb usa
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It's so hard to connect them as there is no IGI christenings at all for them ...I even tried under Hedger .... It does seem like a good possibility that they are brothers ....but we need proof ...just a little teeny tiny bit would be nice LOL ..
have you seen this marriage on Pallots;
Job Hedges (b) = Margt Curtis (s)
1790 Deptford Kent
I wonder if they are related in any way
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi
Thanks for posting the christenings ...
Just wanted to let you know that on the 1871 census where Job jnr is with uncle James ....that uncle James and Eliza have 2 more children...
Henry son16 b Essex Molton bc 1855
Rosa dau 14 b Rochford Essex bc 1857
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Yes Got most of that. the census returns I have are as follows.
1851 Job Hedges Listed as Job Hodges in Bexley Heath, long Lane
1881 Job Hedges Listed as John Hedges in West Ham Essex Chapple Cottage
1861 William Hedges Chatham, Upper St.
1871 William Hedges Chatham, Jenkins Dale
1871 James Hedges Romford, Moss St,
ooo I have found James and Eliza in 1861
Elsenham
List of persons not in houses
caravan
James Hedger mar 45 Mat maker b Plumbstead
Eliza wife 45 hawker Middlesex Islington
Selina 21 b Kent Budyar ?
Elias son 18 ..could he be Golias? hawker b Eltham/Elsenham? Kent
Elijah son 16 hawker b Stroud Kent
Alfred son 14 b Hoo Kent
Oliph dau 10 .... Olive maybe LOL ...b Chalk Kent
Henry 5 b Essex Moreton
Rosa 3 b Essex Chelmsford
Just looking at who were the other peeps in tents/caravans around them I spotted this family because of wife's POB
next 'door' to the Hedges
John ARNOLD head mar 22 mat maker b Chiselhurst
Maria Sophia wife 22 hawker b PLUMSTEAD KENT
James 2 Kent ?
John 1 Stroud
taking a chance I looked at marriages and guess what ...wooooohoooooo
Mary Sophia Hedges = John Arnold
Mar q 1858
Romford Essex
Vol 4a p 73
I wonder if she is another daughter bc 1839
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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errrr after all that excitement I have realised that Maria/Mary Sophia must be the Sophia you already have...
Children of James Hedges
Esther Christened 14 June 1835 Dartford Kent
Sophia Christening Not Known born 1839 plumbsted Kent
Selina Christened 12 July 1840 Lidsing Kent
Golias Christening Not Known Born 1942 Aylesford kent
Elijah Christening Not Known born 1845 Cliffe Kent
*Alfred christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
Olive Christening Not Known born 1851 Cliffe Kent
but at least we know that she may have been christened as Maria/Mary Sophia and not just Sophia.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Jenny
re Olive Hedges d/o James
found her marriage
Olive Hedges = William Spencer
dec q1871
Romford
vol 4a p 215
Then in 1881
West Thurrock, Essex
Vans back of Main rd
William Spencer mar 31 basket maker b Colchester
OLIVIA wife 30 hawker bChatha,
Elias son 7 b Upton Manor, Essex
William son 6 b Barking rd
Henry son 5 b Woodford
Eliza dau 3 Cambridge
Mary a 11 months b Writtle
James Young serv 14 b Sandy, Bedfordshire,
Christopher Bentridge ser 22 Brentwood, Essex
No clues there unless James Young or Chris Bentridge are rellies ..
arrghhhh where is the connection
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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