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Topic: First Ballantyne from Scotland*completed* (Read 1570 times)
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myshell007
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Hi I am looking for the family of George Henry Ballantyne b Yarrow Scotland
24 August 1855, I have had no luck on Ancestory. and hoped somewhere out there would know this family.
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Gadget
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Hi
And welcome to Rootschat 
Ancestry doesn't have any of the Scottish births. These are indexed and the images are available on the Scotlands People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It's pay to view but very reasonable. Many are also listed on the IGI www.familysearch.org
Your George is on both of them in Yarrow, Selkirkshire. Parents are Francis Ballantyne and Janet Douglas.
As it is an 1855 birth, the certificate from Scotlands People gives far more information than normal - origin and age of parents; how many previous children born to them, etc. and for 6 credits (equivalent of £1.20) you can view and download this.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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At the moment, I can't find the family in either Scotland or England on the 1861 census. Did they emigrate?
Gadget
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Gadget
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I think this is the family in 1851. Margaret must have died between then and 1855 and Francis married Janet Douglas. Note that it was not uncommon for women to use their maiden surnames:
Shielswood, Ashkirk, Roxburgh
Parish 781 ED 1 Page 5
Francis Ballantyne, 35, farm labourer, b. Castleton*, Rox
Margaret Archbald, 32, labourer's wife, b. Eckford, Rox
Janet, 11, b. Jedburgh
John, 9, b. Jedburgh
Mary, 6, b. Hobkirk
James, 4, b. Hobkirk
Margaret, 1, b. Ashkirk
Gadget
*added - Newcastleton on George's birth cert.
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Gadget
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Hi again
Because I could find no trace of a marriage or any census details for 1861 for this family, I checked the birth cert. No marriage date is given for Francis and Janet and no details of previous children. Neither can I find a death registration for Francis/Frank that matches his details.
Gadget
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myshell007
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Hi Gadget, Thank you so very much for jumping onto this, I am gobsmacked. Does all this info come from Scotlands people. I have been reluctant to join yet another paying group, It seems that my ancestors are a particularly difficult lot and finding the thread of them again before they migrated to either Australia or N Zealand is proving brain sapping.  
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Gadget
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Do you have any info about when the migrated and if George was married - children, etc. Anything that might help search for them?
I PMed you about the birth cert.
Gadget
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Gadget
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This looks like Francis Ballantyne's baptism:
17 July 1814, Castleton, Roxburgh Francis s/o John Ballantyne and Mary Miller
This is from the Scotlands People site that I mentioend before.
Gadget 
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myshell007
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Hi Gadget I'l get onto scotlands poeple tomorow and have a good look around. 
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ngaio
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George Henry Ballantyne was second son of Jessie Douglas who was the second wife of John Douglas Francis Ballantyne (called Francis). John Douglas Francis Ballantyne married three times, firstly to Margaret Francis Archibald in approx 1838/39.
Their children were
Jessie born in Ulston 1840
John born Ulston 15/10/1842
James Archibald born in Hobkirk 1847
Mary born in Hobkirk in 1845
Margaret born Ashkirk in 1850
Mary Ann born in Ashkirk 25/9/1852 (my connection)
Margaret Francis Archibald died in Ashkirk in 1852 and John Married Jessie Douglas on 1/5/1857.
Obviously they had had their first child in 1855, namely Thomas Scott . Incidentally Thomas Scott Ballantyne must have been named after Captain Thomas Scott who John Douglas Francis Ballantyne worked for at Ashkirk and then at Bengerburn. There is quite a story about Captain Thomas Scott who married John Douglas Francis Ballantyne's sister Margaret in 1856.
Other children by Jessie Douglas were
George
Isabella
Sadly Jessie Douglas who was born in New Castleton, died on board ship as they were travelling up the estuary to Dunedin harbour.
John married thirdly Elizabeth Aitcheson born Bannockburn in about 1836. Their children were
Agnes born Dunedin 1864
Frank born Dunedin 1866
Simon born Dunedin 1868
William born Dunedin 1870
John Douglas Francis Ballantyne farmed around Dunedin all his life but died at his son's home in Dunrobin, Otago, NZ on 12/9/1901 and is buried at Crookson Cemetary.
John Douglas Francis Ballantyne's parents were John Ballantyne and Mary Miller who were married about 1810/11. John Ballantyne's parents were Francis Ballantyne and Margaret Robson.
Have more information if you are interested.
I presume you live in NZ as I do so maybe we could make more direct contact
Ngaio
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myshell007
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Hi Ngaio,
Our documentation differs slightly, I have George first in 1855, to Jannet then
Isabel 1857
Thomas Scott 1859 both to Jessie.
Is there something I am Missing. 
Plus there are two threads going here this one and Re: Francis Ballantyne Mysetry.
There were two Francis Ballantynes to parents John Ballantyne and Mary Miller. The first Francis was born about 1814 and the second was actually John Douglas Francis Ballantyne born about 1819 in Castleton. He died in New Zealalnd and is buried at Crookson Cemetary (died on 24/9/1901) - quote from the other thread.
I did presume that there was one Francis who was born in 1814, and not two. I only have a birth record for one, and looked on the IGI to verify this one. There are a lot of Ballantyne names on the IGI, did miss this one.
I am in AUS but just about in the same time sphere, more direct contact may be better.
Michelle
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ngaio
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Hi Ngaio, Our documentation differs slightly, I have George first in 1855, to Jannet then Isabel 1857 Thomas Scott 1859 both to Jessie. Is there something I am Missing. Plus there are two threads going here this one and Re: Francis Ballantyne Mysetry. There were two Francis Ballantynes to parents John Ballantyne and Mary Miller. The first Francis was born about 1814 and the second was actually John Douglas Francis Ballantyne born about 1819 in Castleton. He died in New Zealalnd and is buried at Crookson Cemetary (died on 24/9/1901) - quote from the other thread. I did presume that there was one Francis who was born in 1814, and not two. I only have a birth record for one, and looked on the IGI to verify this one. There are a lot of Ballantyne names on the IGI, did miss this one. I am in AUS but just about in the same time sphere, more direct contact may be better. Michelle Hi Michelle Sorry about getting the birth date order of the three children mixed up. You are right. The Francis name is a bit confusing. I am not sure why our John Douglas Francis Ballantyne called himself Francis but in NZ anyway he was always known as Francis. Going by his death records he was born about 1819. Incidentally our records say that Jessie Douglas was a 2nd cousin to John Douglas Francis Ballantyne but we are unable to find out which side of the family she comes from. Our records go back another two generations from John Douglas Francis Ballantyne if you are interested. Maybe you could email me direct at Moderator Comment: email address removed to prevent spam and other abuses. Please use the secure PM (personal message) system to share email addresses and other personal information. Thank You.I would be interested to know what happened to George as we don't know very much about this family as our connection is from the youngest daughter of the first family. Ngaio |
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ngaio
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Sorry email address should have an x in (*) I should check my writing before sending.
Ngaio
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myshell007
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Hi ngaio
email no did not get through the security, I sent a test one to what I thought it was, have you received one yet.
Michelle 
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