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JAP
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Hi Chiad Fhear,
That certainly adds lots of useful information - especially the two censuses (1871 and 1901) which show James's birthplace as Culross, Perth!
My suggestion that Janet (HAIG) WARDLAW might have re-married a REID seems to be 'dead in the water' - as, on James's 1861 m.c., his mother is listed as deceased and as WARDLAW ms HAIG
So we are no closer to solving the puzzle of why James changed from WARDLAW to REID. Perhaps he'd been a naughty boy in some way or other and didn't want to be traced ...
It does look as though trying to find James in 1841 and 1851, and trying to find his parents in various censuses, would be useful.
Unfortunately I don't have access to Scottish census info (other than through SP which costs). Let's hope that others can find the information?
JAP
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All
Early censuses info for the Wardlaw family.
1841:
Everyone showing as born in the County:
James Wardlaw 30, agr. lab.
Janet Wardlaw 30
James Wardlaw 7
Sarah Wardlaw 4
Janet Wardlaw 3
Address: Burgh Of Culross Not Fully Distinguished Into Stre(et?), Culross
1851:
There is a likely entry for James, working away from home:
James Warlaw, 16, agr. lab, b. Culross
Address: Kirklands, Ballingry, Fife
In respect of his family, I think his mother Janet may already have died. Everyone showing as born in Culross:
James Wardlaw 41
Sarah Wardlaw 15
Jessie Wardlaw 11
William Wardlaw 7
Richard D Wardlaw 5
Robert Wardlaw 4
Address:Sandhaven Close, Culross
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MonicaLesl
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James Wardlaw Snr. looks to have probably died between 1881-91. He is in the censuses in Culross up to 1881.
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MonicaLesl
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This is the most obvious entry for Janet Haig on IGI (and the only one  ) in Culross:
JANET HAIG Birth: 27 APR 1811/ Christening:05 MAY 1811 in Culross
Parents:WILLIAM HAIG and MARGARET SOMMERVAIL
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MonicaLesl
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...And probably the source of the REID middle name, likely entry for James Snr.:
JAMES WARDLAW Birth:14 SEP 1810/ Christening:16 SEP 1810 in Culross
Parents: JAMES WARDLAW and SARAH REID
Monica
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JAP
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Hi Monica,
Good information!
Yes, I'd agree that Janet (HAIG) WARDLAW had probably died pre-1851. Children of James & Janet are recorded regularly until Mary in 1848 which suggests that one of the parents had not survived past then. As James is still there in 1851 but neither Janet nor Mary is, it suggests that perhaps Janet died in childbirth with Mary.
James WARDLAW & Sarah REID had (all Culross) John 1802, Sarah 1805, David 1808, James & William 1810, Janet 1813, Sophia 1818.
Scots naming patterns would suggest that Sarah's parents were David & Sarah; and James's parents were John & Janet.
There's a Sarah REID b 1781 Culross, parents David REID & Sarah LYEL ...
A David REID m Sarah LYAL 1774 Culross.
Not such a good fit for James but interesting that a James WARDLAW was b 1777 Culross, parents John WARDLAW & Sophia MILLAR ...
JAP
PS: But still no idea why James WARDLAW changed to James REID 
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941pars
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HI All
Many Thanks for all your replies, what a lot of information you all have managed to dig up.
Because of my shifts I have not been on line since Friday, so have got a lot of catching up to do.
Thanks once again
Susie
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941pars
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HI
I have just spoke to by grandfather about all the info you have managed to find, his middle name is Brown. And his father middle names were Brown and Wardlaw.
He was intrested to hear about the change in the middle to surname.
From his memory he recalls that his Great Grandfather was a James Reid born around 1836, and his Grandfather a James Wardlaw Reid b 1861.
However he does recall something to do with a male in the family taken on the wifes surname (no idea why) and thinks that his Grandfather surname was Wardlaw and not Reid. This might explain why James Wardlaw Reid is also on census for James Reid Wardlaw.
He is going to rack his brains and see if he has any old documents that might help.
Kind Regards
Susie
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Chiad Fhear
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Monica ... thanks a million for all these gems!
JAP
Re your "PS: But still no idea why James WARDLAW changed to James REID"
I you look at James (senior) b.1810, his mother's maiden name was REID. Maybe he 'fell out' with his father over something ... or was just confused with too many names for himself!
Susie ... you must be delighted with this barrage of information that's suddenly descended on you over the weekend!
I know I'm happy to have learned a little more about this branch of the family!
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi everyone
Given all the above information, and a trawl through the IGI I've managed to put together this descendancy:
Descendants of John Wardlaw
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN WARDLAW married SOPHIA MILLAR.
Children of JOHN WARDLAW and SOPHIA MILLAR are:
2. i. JAMES WARDLAW, b. 14 Dec 1777, Culross, Perthshire.
ii. ROBERT WARDLAW, b. 18 Oct 1779, Culross, Perthshire.
More About ROBERT WARDLAW:
Baptism: 20 Oct 1779, Culross, Perthshire
iii. BETTY WARDLAW, b. 14 Mar 1785, Culross, Perthshire.
More About BETTY WARDLAW:
Baptism: 20 Mar 1785, Culross, Perthshire
iv. JOHN WARDLAW, b. 03 Jan 1788, Culross, Perthshire.
More About JOHN WARDLAW:
Baptism: 06 Jan 1788, Culross, Perthshire
v. DAVID WARDLAW, b. 12 Dec 1791, Culross, Perthshire.
Generation No. 2
2. JAMES WARDLAW was born 14 Dec 1777 in Culross, Perthshire. He married SARAH REID Abt. 10 Nov 1801 in Culross, Perthshire, daughter of DAVID REID and SARAH LYAL. She was born Abt. 1781 in Culross, Perthshire.
More About JAMES WARDLAW:
Baptism: 28 Dec 1777, Culross, Perthshire
Children of JAMES WARDLAW and SARAH REID are:
i. JOHN WARDLAW, b. 22 Nov 1802, Culross, Perthshire.
More About JOHN WARDLAW:
Baptism: 28 Nov 1802, Culross, Perthshire
ii. SARAH WARDLAW, b. 12 Jun 1805, Culross, Perthshire.
More About SARAH WARDLAW:
Baptism: 17 Jun 1805, Culross, Perthshire
iii. DAVID WARDLAW, b. 30 Mar 1808, Culross, Perthshire.
More About DAVID WARDLAW:
Baptism: 03 Apr 1808, Culross, Perthshire
iv. WILLIAM WARDLAW, b. 14 Sep 1810, Culross, Perthshire.
More About WILLIAM WARDLAW:
Baptism: 16 Sep 1810, Culross, Perthshire
3. v. JAMES REID WARDLAW, b. 14 Sep 1810, Culross, Perthshire; d. Abt. 1908.
vi. JANET WARDLAW, b. 21 May 1813, Culross, Perthshire.
More About JANET WARDLAW:
Baptism: 24 May 1813, Culross, Perthshire
vii. SOPHIA WARDLAW, b. 29 Jan 1818, Culross, Perthshire; m. ROBERT THOMSON, 02 May 1840, Culross, Perthshire.
More About SOPHIA WARDLAW:
Baptism: 08 Feb 1818, Culross, Perthshire
Generation No. 3
3. JAMES REID WARDLAW was born 14 Sep 1810 in Culross, Perthshire, and died Abt. 1908. He married JANET HAIG 1833 in Culross, Perthshire, daughter of WILLIAM HAIG and MARGARET SOMMERVAIL. She was born 27 Apr 1811 in Culross, Perthshire, and died Bef. 1861.
Notes for JAMES REID WARDLAW:
1841 Census Residing in the Burgh of Culross, Perthshire
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
More About JAMES REID WARDLAW:
Baptism: 16 Sep 1810, Culross, Perthshire
Occupation: 1861, Carter
Notes for JANET HAIG:
1841 Census Residing in the Burgh of Culross, Perthshire
Children of JAMES WARDLAW and JANET HAIG are:
4. i. JAMES REID WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1835, Culross, Perthshire.
ii. SARAH WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1836, Culross, Perthshire.
Notes for SARAH WARDLAW:
1841 Census Residing in the Burgh of Culross, Perthshire
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
iii. JANET WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1839, Culross, Perthshire.
Notes for JANET WARDLAW:
1841 Census Residing in the Burgh of Culross, Perthshire
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
iv. WILLIAM WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1841, Culross, Perthshire.
Notes for WILLIAM WARDLAW:
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
v. RICHARD WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1844, Culross, Perthshire.
Notes for RICHARD WARDLAW:
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
vi. ROBERT WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1846, Culross, Perthshire.
Notes for ROBERT WARDLAW:
1851 Census Residing in the Sandhaven Close, Culross, Perthshire
vii. MARY WARDLAW, b. Abt. 1848, Culross, Perthshire.
Generation 4 is in the next post ...
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Chiad Fhear
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Descendants of John Wardlaw ... continued
Generation No. 4
4. JAMES REID WARDLAW was born Abt. 1835 in Culross, Perthshire. He married HELEN DRUMMOND 19 Sep 1861 in Pittenweem, Fife1, daughter of JAMES DRUMMOND and CHRISTIAN STEVENSON. She was born 30 Nov 1832 in Pittenweem, Anstruther Wester, Fife, and died 06 Aug 1903 in Fife and Kinross Asylum, Parish of Cupar, Fife.
Notes for JAMES REID WARDLAW:
1841 Census Residing in the Burgh of Culross, Perthshire
1851 Census Residing at Kirklands, Ballingry, Fife
1861 Marriage Register - James 'made his mark' indicating that he was, perhaps, uneducated
1871 Census Residing at 27 Abbey Street, St Andrews, Fife.
1901 Census Residing at Woodend Cotton, Dunino, Fife as James REID
More About JAMES REID WARDLAW:
Occupation: Bet. 1851 - 1861, Agricultural Labourer; Labourer
Notes for HELEN DRUMMOND:
1841 Census Residing at Lower Loan, Pittenweem, Fife
1851 Census Residing at Cowgate, Pittenweem, Fife
1861 Census Residing at High Street, Pittenweem, Fife
1871 Census Residing at 37 Abbey Street, St Andrews, Fife
1901 Census Residing at Woodend Cotton, Dunino, Fife as Helen REID
1903 Death Register shows Helen as 'Helen Reid married to James Wardlaw Reid, General Labourer'.
Helen's death 'Informant' was Samuel Begg, Attendant from the Fife and Kinross Asylum
More About HELEN DRUMMOND:
Baptism: 09 Dec 1832, Anstruther, Fife
Cause of Death: Spinal Myelitis several months P.M. (post mortem)
Child of JAMES WARDLAW and HELEN DRUMMOND is:
i. JOHN REID WARDLAW, b. 02 Nov 1861, Pittenweem, Fife; m. MAGGIE ANN BROWN, 08 Jun 1888, 24 South Castle Street, St Andrews, Fife; b. Abt. 1864.
Notes for JOHN REID WARDLAW:
1871 Census Residing at 27 Abbey Street,St andrews, Fife - scholar
More About JOHN REID WARDLAW:
Residence: 1888, 9 South Castle Street, St Andrews, Fife
More About MAGGIE ANN BROWN:
Occupation: 1888, Fish-line-baiter
Residence: 1888, 24 South Castle Street, St Andrews, Fife
I think that's it for now (the previous attempt exceeded the allowed number of characters)
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Susie ... you must be delighted with this barrage of information that's suddenly descended on you over the weekend!
Wow so much information to take in , John Wardlaw Reid or other way was my Paternal Great, Great Grandfather.
At the moment I am going try and put the information from this thread in to tree so it is easy for my granddad to look and understand.
He is so chuffed and overwhelmed, he has found the death certificate of Melville Brown Wardlaw Reid who was his father (b 1891 and died 1928).
So next time I see him I will get a look at the certificate and see what info is on for his parents at the time of death.
Once again, I can't believe all the info you have managed to find, it is very interesting.
Kind Regards
Susie
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Chiad Fhear
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Hi Susie
The name 'Melville Reid' with a connection to St Andrews, Fife, is ringing bells with me. Am I close?
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Yes very very hot
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