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STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« on: Wednesday 29 October 08 01:07 UTC (UK) »

This ancestor is posing all kinds of problems; he is my brick wall.  Down as born in Sunderland, Northumberland but what is his parentage I do not know.

His grandson, Silvester Stonehouse Stuart, during the 1861 Census was staying at Grandsable House.  Grangemouth, Scotland. County Sterling. Parish Polmont.  Could this have possibly been a family house?  Could Silvester and his family (10 members altogether) have been visiting relatives that might reveal the parentage of STONEHOUSE STUART senior?

Can this have any bearing on the origins of STONEHOUSE STUART senior? 

Does anyone know of Grandsable House?  Can anyone help in any way to find out if there is any connection to STONEHOUSE STUART. I would love to get beyond him but cannot and would love some help on this.

many many thanks to anyone willing to engage.

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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 21:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Welcome to Rootschat!  Cheesy

I'm afraid I don't know anything about your Stuart Family but did you know the main Cemetery between Grangemouth and Polmont is called Grandsable Cemetery?

As you enter the cemetery, there is a largish house just inside the gates. How old this building is, I don't know, but even if it doesn't date back far enough to the 'the' Grandsable House', it may well be a newer building on the same site? The Cemetery was established roughly towards the end of the 1880's so might have been part of Grandsable House's land?

On the 1881 Census, there is only one match:

Dwelling:   Grandsable
Census Place: Polmont, Stirlingshire

Head: John McKinlay, Occupation: Book-keeper *Colly??, age 69, born at Douglas, Lanarkshire
Wife: Mary Murray McKinlay, age 68, born Muirkirk, Aryshire
Son: Duncan Mc K. McKinlay, Occupation: Artist (Figure Painter), age 24, born Muirkirk, Ayrshire. (Unmarried)
Servant: Catherine SWAN, Occupation: General Servant, age 14, born Falkirk, Stirlingshire.

*Colly might be an abbreviation for Colliery?

You could try contacting Falkirk Archives: http://www.falkirk.gov.uk/services/community/cultural_services/museums/archives/archive.aspx

Good Luck,

Anne
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 22:28 UTC (UK) »

Another hello from me  Smiley

Just in case you don't have this, a reference to his marriage:

Stonehouse? STUART of Sunderland Durham & Elizabeth RANDFIELD O T P 8 june 1787
Witnesses Grace BEERTON? & Thos BEERTON?

film no 952944

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SUFFOLK-SAMFORD-DISTRICT/2006-05/1147255640

Monica  Smiley
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Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 22:35 UTC (UK) »

There is an old post here on RootsChat requesting info on grandson Silvester:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,67848.0.html

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 22:42 UTC (UK) »

I would imagine this is also another grandson of Stonehouse Stuart - family of Thomas Stuart :

http://yelland.info/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I310&tree=roberts

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 October 08 10:55 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for all the comments.  The marriage details are particularly new for me and confirm Sunderland Co. Durham as opposed to Sunderland Northumberland which had come up as an alternative and made life more confusing.  Grace Beeston was Elizabeth's sister so it's great to see her and her husband as witnesses.

The 1861 Census finds Silvester Stonehouse Stuart and his family in residence but I now know that he was there to take up a working post and not to visit relations.

However, anything else on Stonehouse Stuart senior born c1757 would be greatly appreciated.

I will try to find out if i can view this film at my local family history centre.

many thanks again for bringing to light a few important details.

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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 October 08 18:11 UTC (UK) »

Why don't you put up a new post on the Durham Board here on RootsChat www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,12.0.html - maybe someone with knowledge of the area and county may have access to other sources or be able to point you in a new direction  Smiley

Always worthwhile putting a link to this post so that people don't repeat what you already have.

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 January 09 17:24 UTC (UK) »

As mentioned in a previous post, this is the house within Grandsable Cemetery grounds. I don't think t's actually got anything to do with the cemetery and will be privately owned.

It doesn't have a 'name' that I could see.



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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 19:22 UTC (UK) »

This is a wonderful find - thanks so much for the photo - would be brilliant to find out if it is actually THE one.....looks pretty old to me :-)
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 19:25 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Monica; the Thomas Stuart family line-up has opened up lots of new details for me.
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 22:07 UTC (UK) »

I see that the dreaded Rootsweb   
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=Search&includedb=&lang=en&ti=&surname=Stuart&stype=Exact&given=Stonehouse&bplace=&byear=&brange=0&dplace=&dyear=&drange=0&mplace=&myear=&mrange=0&father=&mother=&spouse=&skipdb=&period=All&submit.x=Search

has a marriage - same as indicated by Monica, there are 11 entries  (if you search for Stonehouse Stewart - you'll come up with another  entry on the site - indicates same wife but has no children)- one includes this:

"Monumental Inscription Harwich
In the memory of Stonehouse Stuart who departed this life on the 2nd December 1853 in the 98th year of his life and Elizabeth his wife who departed this life on 30th November 1843 aged 75 years"

Also, a search of Google Books brings up the following snippet:

The Smugglers' Century: The Story of Smuggling on the Essex Coast, 1730-1830‎ - Page 67
by Hervey Benham, Essex Record Office - Smuggling - 212 pages

Five years earlier Capt Smith of the Leopard, also of Harwich, gave his reason
for employing a local branch pilot, Stonehouse Stewart, at 6s a day. ..."

That's all my input I'm afraid.  Good luck with your searching.   Regards,   Steve :O)

Off to bed with a wife and a good book - or should that be a good wife and a book I think :O)  :O)........

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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 22:42 UTC (UK) »

WOW ! Thanks Steve ! How exciting - what an amazing find ! I've already ordered the book - can't wait to see what happens next !
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born 1755
« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 March 09 23:06 UTC (UK) »

Not only got that book on Smuggling but found another one by the same writer mentioning a later Stonehouse Stuart b1840 who saved a young boy from drowning - SO....have now 2 books with ancestors' names in.....


alas no further tracing the elusive Big Daddy - Stonehouse Stuart senior
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 May 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »

Another hello from me  Smiley

Just in case you don't have this, a reference to his marriage:

Stonehouse STUART of Sunderland Durham & Elizabeth RANDFIELD O T P 8 june 1787
Witnesses Grace BEERTON? & Thos BEERTON?
film no 952944

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SUFFOLK-SAMFORD-DISTRICT/2006-05/1147255640

Monica  Smiley

Dear Monica,
I was about to order this film until I got distracted by information which said the marriage took place in London and this archive didn't seem to fit that.  Are you able to say what this archive actually is and what the names of the districts mean....would it mean that if this marriage is listed there it took place in Suffolk?

thanks for your help
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Re: STONEHOUSE STUART born c1757
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 May 09 20:03 UTC (UK) »

I don't know is the honest answer.

The information which included the marriage details came from the RootsWeb link I posted. Reading it as it stands, it seems the lady who posted has actually looked the film she referenced and she posted the details contained therein.

Given it was posted on the ENG-SUFFOLK-SAMFORD-DISTRICT-L Archives, you would think it was relevant to the area. As you are doing, always worthwhile double checking though. What information makes you think the marriage may have taken place in London?

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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