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cimbrio
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I'm looking for anyone related to, or who possesses any information about the family of Edward Allen, born around 1803 in Colwall, Herefordshire. He was probably the son of Thomas Allen and his wife Sarah (surname unknown); possible siblings: Thomas (1802), William (1805), Mary Ann (1807), Joseph (1809), Anna Maria (1812) and perhaps Sarah (1814).
Edward married Ann (née Lewis) in 1867 (I think in Colwall) and had the following children:
Ann (1838-1843), John (1842), William Henry (1846), and Clara (1849). All from Colwall.
John married Jane Davied (from Colwall?), and according to the family Bible had:
Annie Marie (1868), Ada Mary "Dot" (1869), Ellen Jane (1870), Rose Fanny (1872-1955), William John (1876-1960), Maria Annie (1876-1877) and Thomas (1878).
William John married Elizabeth Morris, from Leominster; parents fo Phyllis, Gerald and Elizabeth, my grandmother.
Can anyone provide me with any help? Anyone related?
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The snooper
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Cimbrio,
You have (in your second para) Edward Allen and Ann Lewis marrying in 1867 well after the birth of their children. Are you sure this is correct as I have a marriage between them on the 26 March 1838 in Withington parish. This would make sense given the dates for the children. Incidentally it looks like both of them had been married before
If you think this marriage is correct I will look for birth dates of their kids,
The Snooper
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cimbrio
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Hi The Snooner!
Yes, my mistake, indeed Edward must have married Ann in or around 1838 since thie first child was born in the second quarter of 1838 (so Ann must have been pregnant at the time of the marriage if indeed the dates we have are correct). I had no idea they were married before, any idea who to, and if they had any issue? I'm all ears! Thanks so very much! Their children's birthdates (and absolutely anything else you may be able to provide about them) will be immesnsely appreciated!
Thanks!
 Cimbrio
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The snooper
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Hi,
My source is an index rather than complete details so not a replacement for getting the official certificates.
For Edward and Ann it just says WDR against Edward and WD father name against Ann.
There is a marriage in West Malvern between John ALLEN and Jane DAVIS listed for 16th July 1867 which could be yours I think and then William J ALLEN marries Elizabeth MORRIS in Colwall St James on 18 Oct 1910.
I have searched in vain for any children for Ann and Edward and can find none - this does not mean they did not happen it is just that my index is NOT complete. The same goes for children of John ALLEN and Jane and William and Elizabeth I'm afraid.
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cimbrio
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Very interesting The Snooper!
Do you suppose that Lewis was Ann's married or birth surname? No reference to any parents, is there?
By the way, indeed the other two marriages you mention are those of my great-grandparents and my grandfather's parents, but is Jane's surname Davis or Davies? I had Davies but it might be wrong.
Is there any mention whatsoever as to their place of birth, or name of parents?
These certificates, can they be acquired anywhere? IS there a fee involved? What if I wanted to go up my family tree, searchging for Edward's ancestors, where could I go or ask?
Regards,
Cimbrio
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cimbrio
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Thanks wozzle!
I am quite impressed!
I recently checked online (I can't remember which source, but it was easy to find - christenings, marriages and burials in Colwall in certain spans of time) and some of the dates and children you mention were indeed on there; however, I don't think the latter children are issue of the same couple because they live in a different place (maybe you can check for yourself). I did find a Thomas Allen christened in 1760 and was under the impression he was Edward's father, but the marriage date of 1801 would prove me wrong. Can it be assured that Edward was the son of Thomas Allen and Sarah Jones? He was the only Edward christened in 1803/1804 in Colwall, and he was certainly the son of A Thomas Allen and Sarah...
Thanks for all your help!
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cimbrio
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This is the link that I wrote about above. Here you can see that there were a few couples surnamed Allen in the early 1800's who were procreating and christening their children. One of these couples is Thomas and Sarah Allen, and although there is no mention on their "abode" for the first few children, there is such a note for Margaret Allen, for example (Oct 12 1817) whose parents (Thomas and Sarah) do not live in Colwall but in Evendine... Did they move, or is it a different couple altogether? Rather lost here...
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The snooper
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Hi Cimbrio,
Tis me again.
The source I have for the info I have given you is only an index and there is no other information.
The entry for the Edward and Ann it just says WDR against Edward and WD father name against Ann. -This means that Ann's maiden name (or fathers name - the same thing) was Lewis.
Yes you can get the certificates for these events (after 1837) which will give you more information. The basic fee is 7 UK pounds per certificate and it can be done on line.
If you are interested in getting some send me a Personal Message and I will talk you through the procedures.
Cheers
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netti
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Just a bit of local knowledge here - Evendine is a road in Colwall so giving an address there would still mean they were of the same village.
I have several instances of my own where sometimes the address is just the village and other times they are more specific - does not necessarily mean a different family.
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Doffy
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Hi
Edward born 1803 and Ann had
Ann bapt 14.4.1838
John bapt 14.8.1842
William Henry bapt 16.3.1845
Clara bapt 8.4.1849
Robert Allen born 1821 aged 38 widower.. publican, Colwall.father Thomas Allen, Farmer.... married Judith Bond, widow, Colwall... father Thomas Knight Cook, Farmer
Joseph Allen born 1809, Labourer, married Hannah Lewis, servant, no parents listed.
children
Anne bapt 31.3.1844.St James the Great Colwall
Joseph Herbert bapt 24.6.1850 St James the Great,Colwall
Sarah born 1844, married George Hooper, Carpenter..father George Hopper, Carpenter
children
Hannah bapt 21.6.1846
William bapt18.1849
George Thomas Henry bapt 18.6.1854 all at St James
There is an entry George Ernest bapt 19.8.1877 parents George Henry and Sarah Elizabeth Hooper
Henry Allen was awitness at my gg granfather wedding Henry Willoughby and Sarah Smith in 1845
William J Allen and Elizabeth
poss children
Phyllis E J Dec 1911 ref 6a 757 Ledbury
Gerald W mar 1914 ref 6a 765 Ledbury
Yes Evendine or Evendine Lane is Colwall. comes from the village
All the best Dorothy
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cimbrio
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Hi Dorothy!
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. Thanks ever so much for the photos and all that information, I just checked what I had and I was able to fill in a few gaps. Amazing to see, by the way, that one of my relatives was a witness at the wedding of your ancestors! By the way, you are right, Gerald and Phyllis were my great-aunt and great-uncle, brother and sister of my late grandmother. I didn't know about two of the Hooper children, I'll see if I can find anything else on then. Do you mind re-sending the christening date of William Hooper, it just says 18.1849, I think the month must be missing. I'll see if I can find something myself. Though it's fairly unreliable, I have been able to trace the Allen family back several generations more... And I would LOVE to find out more on Robert, who married a woman many years older than he was.
Best regards from Spain
Cimbrio
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Doffy
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Hi Crimbrio
I am sorry but I made a mistake . George and Sarah only had 1 child George Thomas Henry Hooper bapt 18 Jun 1854. I looked on the Bishops Transcripts and there was another George and ? Hopper had the other 2 children. When I doubled checked the Parish Registers it was George and Anne Hooper. That Will teach me to double check.
But George H T was their child.
He married 8 Jul 1876. St James the Great. Colwall
"George Henry Thomas Hooper, 22, bachelor,occupation Artizan, address Plumstead. Father George Hooper Artizan
Sarah Elizabeth Jones,23, Spinster, address Colwall, farther Thomas Jones, Farmer
Witness Joseph George Gale, Ellen Williams, G Hooper and Sarah Hooper.
"Old Occupations" ... Artizan ... One who is employed in any of the industrial arts; a mechanic, handicraftsman, artificer.
They had 3 children that I can find :-
George Ernest bapt 19 Aug 1877 parents GHT & Sarah Hooper, Colwall. Carpenter
Frank bapt 23 Mar 1879 parents ( it says Henry and Sarah Elizabeth Hooper), Colwall, Tradesman
Frederick bapt 10 or 16 Jan 1881. parents George Thomas Henry and Elizabeth Hooper, Colwall, Carpenter
Sarah was bapt 7 July 1814 parents Thomas and Sarah Allen.
I was in Colwall last Thursday, God it is beautiful on a sunny day.
A bit rough in the winter, no CH, washing machines and tumble dryers.
They must have had legs like mountain goats.
Any way I took some photos I will post them for you when I put them on the computer.
I have info about Robert and Judith I will post it to you tomorrow.
Have had enough now, hard day at work.
All the best Doffy
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