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allotment
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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My mother's mum's first husband was a Charles Joseph Smith. I have the marriage certificate dated 15/11/1915 at Islington Register Office to Amy Sophia Muckleston [mum's mum].
Then are both residing at the Muckleston family residence 61/2 [six and a half] Payne Street, Islington. He is a bachelor 27 years old and a Private in the 2nd Border Regiment. His dad is George Smith a Greengrocer.
Some time in 1918 and with him still a private a gang of soldiers were on a night out in Perth Scotland and Charles decided to take a short cut home to barracks. He drowned taking this short cut. Without this happening I would not be here today so I would like to know more about him.
I cannot find him in the 1891 or 1901 census but does it suggest he was Scottish if he was in the 2nd Border Regiment? He was in the army until his death at 30 so would that be because he volunteered/was called up for the war or was he a lifer?
Any information regarding details for his death or dob plus his father/ ancestors would be very much appreciated.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Allotment
I can't see anything on the Scottish census indexes for 1891 and 1901 that could help you unfortunately. There are four Charles Smiths showing in 1901 with a father George, born 1886-90:
1886, father is a Spirit merchant - Midlothian
1888, father a law (?spl) miller- Aberdeenshire
1889, father a crofer - Aberdeenshire
1889, father a railway yardsman - Lanarkshire
Have you considered trying to find his service records to see whether they include his place of birth or any personal details? Not my area of knowledge, but I found this entry on the British Army WW1 Medal Rolls Index Cards:
Name: Charles Smith
Regiment or Corps: 2nd Border Regiment, Labour Corps
Regimental number: 8208, 406801
The first reg. no. relates to the 2nd Border Regiment, and the second to the Labour Corps.
There are however at least another 5 entries for Charles Smiths, two with the initial 'J', also showing as Border Regiment (not 2nd)
Might be worth posting on the Armed forces board here on RootsChat and let the expert guide you  www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,300.0.html
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Dohhh  You said he died in Perthshire....his death would have been registered there I assume. Scottish death certs include both parents' names including mother's maiden name and father's occupation. Let me have a look.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sadly, the death registration for Charles did not include parents' names which were left blank. He shows as a Private, Labour Corps, attached to Agricultural xxx, married to A C Smith. There is an additonal entry on the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE) following an investigation by the Procurator Fiscal confirming accidental fall and drowning. If you PM me your email, I can send you further details from the certs.
With the reference to the attachment to the Agricultural xxx, and confirmation of him as Private in the Labour Corps, that entry I posted from the Medal Rolls Index cards looks promising. Maybe with the Regimental Numbers you will finally be able to trace his family.
Pity about the lack of info but in a way not surprising given he was away from home and this info may not have been known at the time of his death registration.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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