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Topic: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered (Read 5062 times)
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kalasira
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Hi Fmni,
has anyone come up with any information about Edward Dinsmore,i did,nt have much to go on and hav,nt heard anything for awhile,
thanks Jacquie,
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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fmni
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I'm afraid unless you have a lodge number or date he died I really have nothing to work off, sorry kalasira!
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HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - LAMBEG, Co. Antrim: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down
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kalasira
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I don,t have a lodge number but will try and find when he died,i have his birth day and address and all his family,but the one thing i need,but i will find it and get back to you.is there any thing else that you need what ever you can find i will be very gratefull, thanks alot Jacquie. 
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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markinbelfast
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If a man got his 50 year medal in 1971 would this have been recorded in a local Orange order related newspaper/magazine....where these medals given on a certain day...i.e the 12th July or could they have been presented at any time?
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kalasira
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dear markinbelfast,
sorry can,t answer your quesion,s i can,t even find which lodge my uncle was in or his death,so i am really stuck.from jacquie 
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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aghadowey
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As far as I know such awards would have been given during a lodge meeting rather than a day when they were marching. And yes, such events were often, although not always, in the local newspaper.
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taughey
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Hello fmni,
Could you find any information about my grandfather, Andrew Rowan b 1866, died 6th August 1942. He was a member of the Orange Lodge, Sandy Row, Belfast. I was told that at one time he was a Grand Master, played the Lambeg Drum and that there was an Andrew Rowan Memorial band. He had five brother"s who probably would have been connected to the Sandy Row branch as well. They all lived around the Donegall Rd area of Belfast. Would the Orange Order have any information as regards address"s etc. especially for these brother"s? I do not have his L.O.L. no. I have looked at the obituaries in the Belfast Telegraph for 1942 but found nothing and can"t think of another newspaper to search. I would greatly appreciate your help,
Thank you,
Taughey.
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fmni
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Hi Mark,
There is a whole district, Bessbrook District No.11 that is made up of five lodges, four of which have 'Bessbrook' in their name as well. The oldest of the five lodges I believe would be LOL 77, Divernagh Ancient Heroes. As far as I know, all five would have been in existence in 1971.
LOL 77 Divernagh Ancient Heroes
LOL 294 Bessbrook
LOL 303 Bessbrook Britannia Temperance
LOL 927 Bessbrook Star of Hope Temperance
LOL 959 Bessbrook Purple Star
I don't know much on any of these lodges, other than the last one, Bessbrook Purple Star who from memory had two of their members killed by the IRA in the Kingsmill Massacre - I think both members are depicted on their lodge banner.
With Bessbrook being a district, they will have hosted a Twelfth of July celebration, it may be worth trying to hunt down a possible booklet that would have been produced for that day, often such a booklet will go into much more detail about the district and the individual lodges.
Regards,
Mark
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HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - LAMBEG, Co. Antrim: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down
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mad jockette
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Hi fmni
Would it be possible that you could have some info about a McCaldridge / Alexander (they used both names, don't know why??) were members of the Orange Lodge both in Ballymoney Co. Antrim ( from early 1800's I believe) and Lanarkshire Scotland(from 1893 onwards we think). I have a photo of the family at an Orange Parade.
My Great Great Great Grandfather was John McCaldridge / Alexander (?1829) married to Mary Jane Wilkinson in Finvoy Church.
My Great Great Grandfather James McCaldridge / Alexander married jane rainey and then Jane Mulholland, they moved over to Scotland between 1893- 1900 and became as afar as I am aware involed with the Orange Order, in turn my great grandfather William John Alexander was also a member.
If you have any info about these people I would be grateful for it. I know it is a long shot, but It would be interesting to know more about their involvement in the lodges.
Thank you in advance
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Fahy, Kiggins, Alexander, Clarke, Walker, Black, Jennings, Forbes. McKenzie, Wright, Bell, Weir, Raeside,
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fmni
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Hello fmni from Canada,
My great grandfather Alexander (Sandy) McCalmont was a member of St. John's Islandmagee Lodge #162 from 1897 - 1922. His son Samuel (Sammy) McClelland McCalmont was also a member of #162 from 1942 to his death in 1990. Sammy was also a member of Royal Arch Chapter #260 Redhall, Ballycarry from 1946 as well as a member of Royal Black Perceptory #324.
This is by way of an introduction to my request. Could you please provide me with a history of Islandmagee Lodge #162 including it's founding members?
On a personal note. As my ancestors were Masons am I entitled to acceptance in a lodge?
Thanks.
Roger
Hi Roger,
I've been looking into your request with some interesting findings - the name McCalmont in particular appears to be prolific in the Orange Order around the East Antrim area, such as Islandmagee, Larne etc - however the lodge you mention, St. John's Islandmagee LOL 162 doesn't appear to exist nor has it existed in the past.
However, there is a lodge called "Islandmagee LOL 1962" - this I believe is the lodge that you're interested in and would have been the lodge of your family. The warrant number 162 is actually issued to a lodge in Loughgall, County Armagh. It is possible when the Islandmagee lodge started that they wanted the number 162 but it's definitely LOL 1962.
I will certainly look into it further for you when I get a chance.
Regarding Islandmagee LOL 1962, the following is taken from "The Faithful & The True: A History of Orangeism in County Armagh"
The Lodge was formed in 1869. At the time no hall existed and the brethren may have met at Millbay or some other adjacent venue. The Orange Hall was later built in 1873 at a cost of £150 on a site at the side of what is now Browns Bay Road. Some of the subscription lists still exist and major subscriptions to the building fund were £2, £1, 10/- and 5/-.
In 1893 and 1894 the minutes show that the W.M. of the Lodge was Dr. William Shaw, son of the the Rev. R.H. Shaw, minister of Second Islandmagee Presbyterian Church. A bazaar was held in 1894 to raise funds to finally clear the debt on the building.
The existing warrant was issued in 1891 to Dr. William Shaw. A silk banner was purchased in July 1903 from a John Jameson of North Street. The banner cost £16 and a subscription list includes the names of Dr. Shaw and Colonel McCalmont M.P.
The lodge hosted the Larne District Demonstration in 1880, 1903 and 1929.
A new banner was purchased by the lodge in the 1950's, this being replaced in 1990 and then again in 1993, due to damage. This time the banner cost somewhere in the region of £1200.
There is a little more about the hall itself and about an influx of younger members in recent years and travelling to Scotland for the Scottish demonstration prior to the Twelfth itself.
Also of interest is the fact that there is a lodge called "McCalmonts True Blues LOL 697" - this lodge was named in honour of Colonel James McCalmont, M.P. who resided at nearby Magheramourne House. This lodge first met in premises at Kennedy Row in the village of Ballycarry.
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HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - LAMBEG, Co. Antrim: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down
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fmni
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Hi fmni,
I would be interested to know if you have anything on my great grandfather John Dunwoody born 13.05.1854 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire. He married Anne Eliza Bird in Lisburn 19.04.1878 and continued living there. I believe he was a Grand Master in a lodge in Lisburn. I see you are researching relatives there and wondered if you had come across his name.
Any info would be appreciated.
Barry
I have been looking for references to the surname 'Dunwoody' within Lisburn District Number 6 and have across a 'Sam Dunwoody'.
Bro. Sam Dunwoody was a member of Flowerhill LOL 328 up until 1933 when he and two other members from the Flowerhill lodge set up their own lodge with the warrant number 327.
Given that the name Dunwoody would not be common in Lisburn I would say it's highly likely that your Great Grandfather John Dunwoody was also associated with the Flowerhill lodge. Do you know if he had a son called Samuel or Sam and whether they resided in the Hillhall area of Lisburn?
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HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - LAMBEG, Co. Antrim: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down
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