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aitch
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Does anyone out there happen to own a copy of this book? If so, I wondered if they could possibly check the index to see if there's any reference to a John Daykene, born 1568 died 1681?
Thanks
aitch 
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RATCLIFFE, BARLOW, BERESFORD, BLOOR, BYOT, DAKIN, KENT, LEES, MORTON, NORCLIFFE, OAKS, OSBORNE, PARKS, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, SORTON, WETTON, WARRINGTON, WATTS, WOOD, WOLVERSCROFT (all from the Staffordshire Moorlands)
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sougher
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I own a copy of this book having having been a contributor to the book and also having lived in the village for a number of years, I left a couple of years ago. I'm sorry but there is no mention in the index of the name of DAYKENE. A lot was written about the families and family names living in the village from census returns information of 1841 onwards, but this is too late for your enquiry. Can I suggest that you need to search the early church registers which are deposited at the Derbyshire Record Office at Matlock, these date back to 1657, so possibly John DAYKENE's death could be recorded in these records. Another suggestion is to join the DERBYSGEN list and put a request out on that, as a lister may possibly have a copy of the CD produced by Val NEAL (see the Derbyshire Genuki website for information on the CD's that Val Neal has produced from various parish records). Sorry not to have been of more help.
Margaret.
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aitch
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Thanks very much for your reply Margaret. It's very useful to know that John Daykene isn't in the book.
Yes, I think a trip to Matlock looks like it might be on the cards!
thanks again
Aitch 
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RATCLIFFE, BARLOW, BERESFORD, BLOOR, BYOT, DAKIN, KENT, LEES, MORTON, NORCLIFFE, OAKS, OSBORNE, PARKS, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, SORTON, WETTON, WARRINGTON, WATTS, WOOD, WOLVERSCROFT (all from the Staffordshire Moorlands)
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sougher
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Hi Aitch,
Me again. It has occurred to me that the family name of DAKIN was common in the village of Elton, very close to Bonsall, you could always look on the excellent Winster website (the neighbouring village to Elton, also very close to Bonsall) which contains many surnames, they were lead miners.
Incidently I have come across a reference to the DAKEYNE brothers of Darley Dale (not far from Bonsall either, just across the valley) in 1830 who were approached by the proprietors of the Blythe lead mine to erect a water-powered Disc Engine for draining the Blythe lead mine at Alport, unfortunately it wasn't a success and abandoned. This DAKEYNE family lived in the parish of St. Helen's Darley Dale, which also covered the villages south of the river Derwent (Darley Dale lying north of the river), of Darley Bridge (then known as Bridge Town), Wensley, Oker and Snitterton.
I've remembered that I have a friend who has a copy of the CD of the Bonsall registers, I will email him with a request for you concerning your John DAYKENE - incidently didn't you get his d.o.b a little wrong?
Margaret
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aitch
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Hi Margaret,
Thanks for all this info, I'll certainly take a look at the Winster site. and yes, sorry a typo on the date of birth - it should have read 1586.
The real purpose of the Dakin search is to try to track down the parents of a Thomas Dakin who was born in 1625 and who emigrated to the US. He has a vast number of Dakin descendents in the US & Canada who are, as you can imagine, very keen to trace the origins of their Thomas Dakin over here.
It seems as though the greatest number of Dakins at that time were around this area of Derbyshire and though it's a bit of a needle in a haystack, (partly because of the lack of paper trails from so early), it's worth checking out any possible parents who seem to have been recorded.
Thanks again for your help
- Aitch
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RATCLIFFE, BARLOW, BERESFORD, BLOOR, BYOT, DAKIN, KENT, LEES, MORTON, NORCLIFFE, OAKS, OSBORNE, PARKS, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, SORTON, WETTON, WARRINGTON, WATTS, WOOD, WOLVERSCROFT (all from the Staffordshire Moorlands)
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philjo
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Aitch,
Have you checked to see if Lichfield Record office hold a will for your John Daykene (or other people of that surname)?
I managed to find a number of wills and also marriage licences from Lichfield RO for member of my EATON family who were residing in the Bonsall/Winster area in the late 1600s. The ages/fathers mentioned on the marriage licences helped to provide info on their origins, as one of the baptisms I needed was missing due to the lack of the Bonsall registers before 1657.
A Daniel Dakin is mentioned on the Bonsall poll tax list of 1689.
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/87-Bpoll.htm
Jeremy
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aitch
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Hi Jeremy
No, I haven't got as far as checking Lichfield yet, but that might be a good idea as some of the Derbyshire Dakin's seemed to be fairly noteable, so the chances of early Wills existing might be fairly high. Thanks very much for the link to the Bonsall poll tax list too.
cheers
Aitch
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RATCLIFFE, BARLOW, BERESFORD, BLOOR, BYOT, DAKIN, KENT, LEES, MORTON, NORCLIFFE, OAKS, OSBORNE, PARKS, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, SORTON, WETTON, WARRINGTON, WATTS, WOOD, WOLVERSCROFT (all from the Staffordshire Moorlands)
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Kayzee
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Hi Aitch, Just wanted too say that I have a booklet called 'Bonsall in the seventeenth century' which is part of the Bonsall History Project.
I've had a quick scan through & I can't see a Dakeyne at all not in the tax of 1627 or the Heath Tax returns of 1670. I wonder is it worth you looking at the Manor Court Rolls which I undersatnd are available for Bonsall (probably at Matlock but you would have to check).
Also Margaret, as you seem to know a lot about the village, I wonder could I ask if you have any knowledge of if I am able to pinpoint where in the village particular people might have lived? Josiah Allsop lived in Upper town from 1830 'til the 1861 census at least & I would love to be able to take a photo for the tree. Also the Loxley's who lived at a house 'near John Marples shop' also in Upper Town in 1757 & were still in Upper Town in 1814.
Cheers
Kay
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Alsop/allsop,Debanks,Pidock, Nevill, Milward,Loxley,Holmes,Garton,Lowe
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aitch
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Thanks for that Kayze. It's a real process of elimination with these Dakeyne/Dakins, so knowing where they're not is very useful!
Thanks too for the tip about the Manor Court Rolls.
Cheers
Aitch
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RATCLIFFE, BARLOW, BERESFORD, BLOOR, BYOT, DAKIN, KENT, LEES, MORTON, NORCLIFFE, OAKS, OSBORNE, PARKS, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, SORTON, WETTON, WARRINGTON, WATTS, WOOD, WOLVERSCROFT (all from the Staffordshire Moorlands)
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sougher
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Hi Kay,
Re your query concerning Bonsall. Upper Town (as you can imagine) is situated right at the top of the village, on the edge of Bonsall Moor. The lane that most of the cottages and houses are built on is called Upper Town Lane, and the postal code for it is DE4 2AW, so if you go on Google Maps, satallite, and type in that postal code you will see the top of the village as it is today. It is situated on around the 800 foot contour (sorry I still work in the old imperial system, my brain hasn't got around to transcribing what the metric should be), jolly cold in winter, and when we had colder snowier winters was often cut off. In the bad winter of 1978/79 there was a 14 foot snowdrift which completely covered the front of the cottage that I recently lived in, fortunately at that time I was living lower down in the village. Briefly Bonsall is a very straggling and ancient village, one travels westwards out of Cromford (where Sir Richard Arkwright built his first mill) following a road which was a Toll road constructed in the early part of the 18th century along the valley bottom of the very beautiful Via Gellia along side of which the Bonsall brook flows, this brook incidently is the parish boundary between Bonsall and Cromford. It's a very bendy road and when a large mill is found on the south side of the valley there is a junction (the "Pig o'Lead" pub now closed is here) and from here the road to Bonsall called the "Clatterway" climbs very steeply northwards up to the Recreation ground called "The Park". Here there is a monument in the road called "The Fountain", to the west the road goes up "The Dale" and finally climbing a steep bank called "Warmside" circles back to Upper Town, whereas if one continues northwards up Yeoman Street to the "King's Head" pub and Bonsall Cross, one can follow the road north (High Street) to Town Head, Upper Town, Bonsall Moor, Brightgate and onto Winster (one is then on part of the old Salt Way from Cheshire at this point), and the other road (Green Hill) doubles back by the Cross back to Town End, the Church (St. James) and the school. I hope I haven't confused you too much. Copies of the picture map of Bonsall (of which I was a contributor) can still be purchased and it shews the village in colourful layout and explains the layout far more than I can verbally. Details of where to purchase this map also the book can be obtained from the Bonsall Village website.
Re John Marple's shop for locating the LOXLEY family, I don't know where this is, sorry. However, to this day LOXLEY and ALLSOPP families still live in the village. In the Bonsall book there are many references in the index to these two families which I'll try and look at later. I've looked at the book and have extracted some information from it for you concerning the ALLSOP family which says that:-
Chapter 8 - Architecture and Buildings.
page 173 Chestnut Farm
"Josiah Allsop first appears in 1826 paying £2. 16s. 2d. (note by me - as rent) .......... The Tithe Map of 1848 shows that the farm was occupied by a Josiah Allsop, but owned by the executors of the late Robert Harding. Josiah rented sixty-one acres from the estate, twenty-one being pastures or meadows plus three arable fields: Ferney Dale, Pump Pringle and Pye Croft Side. Josiah also rented another eleven acres from another estate, making a farm of over seventy-two acres."
page 173 (continued but further down the page)
"The Electoral Rolls 1832-1900 show that a Josiah Allsop was the occupier of land above £50 rent, and therefore entitled to vote. Josiah remained at the farm from 1826 until 1864, when the property was sold. He was born in Darley, according to the 1851 census, and was a farmer of seventy-three acres, employing one indoor labourer - a servant girl/dairy maid from Carsington, who lived in the house. A cheese press is now in the garden. Josiah and his wife, Ellen, had seven children, the youngest being born when Josiah was sixty."
Incidently I have a copy of the Bonsall Tithe Schedule (which can be found on the Bonsall website) and also a copy of the map accompanying the Tithe Schedule which names and numbers all the fields, so I can find the location of the fields that were worked. Chestnut Farm has now been turned into holiday cottages, and if you go on the internet and search you will find the website of the firm advertising the holiday complex which is illustrated by photographs. I have some photos of Bonsal Moor looking westwards from the rear of my cottage in Upper Town, I will try and post one onto this site.
Incidently (from memory) was it on this website or DerbysGen where you were enquiring concerning lead mines that your ALLSOP ancestors from Darley owned, they were mentioned in an old Will that you had? Was anyone ever able to help you? The one at Wensley was the Old Mill Close mine and being interested in lead mining history and industrial archaeology I have a lot of information concerning this mine. Were any other mine names mentioned in the Will that you have, as well as Old Mill Close? You do know that an ALLSOP was a lead smelter and owned a lead smelt in the Via Gellia and went bankrupt in about 1849?
Trust all this helps in your research.
Best Wishes,
Margaret
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sougher
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Hi Kay,
Further to my previous mailing, I made a mistake! The Allsop that I mentioned who owned the lead smelt in the Via Gellia was spelt ALSOP not ALLSOP. John ALSOP was an earlier owner of this smelt and the ALSOP who went bankrupt in 1849 was Alfred and came from Ashover.
I am sending you a personal message with my email address for you to contact me, so that I can send you the photo I have of Bonsall Moor taken looking westwards from Upper Town - I can only do so much with a p.c.! I have also found some more information from the Bonsall Book about the Loxley family who were rope makers and had a rope walk at Upper Town, it would be easier to scan the page and send it to you direct by email than trying to put it up on R.C.
Incidently one of my sons (who is a keen caver) with friends, is going on a caving trip into Old Mill Close Mine next weekend. It is located to the NW of the Red Lion Inn at Wensley, it's a very big mine and very old, there are quite a few names carved in the rock down it and other artifacts remain of the t'owd man (the nickname given to the old lead miners). I think I may have copies of some photos taken down there, which I can also send you.
Kind regards,
Margaret.
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