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apanderson
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Hi Morney,
Did the Bereavement Services give you the name of the cemetery, the section and lair numbers of Anne & son's grave?
If so, I could visit and see if there's a stone sometime soon.
Anne.
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MonicaLesl
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Linda
I don't think you are clutching at straws - I think you are right in what you are thinking. Likely he did leave his family sometime from 1906 - 09, at some point following the registration of daughter Barbara's death when you know he registered her death.
The why's will probably be hard for you to determine I'm sure. I don't think there was a divorce, wife Ann still showed as married at her death and Hugh showed as a 'widower' on his 1909 marriage in Newcastle.
The name Hugh Lovatt (and the number of variants), is relative rare in both Scotland and England. Lovatt by the way is the more Irish spelling of it which fits with father Hugh being Irish.
There are no deaths showing for Hugh in Scotland that I can see. To give you an idea of how rare the name is in Scotland, between 1855 to 2006, there are only 6 entries, of any age, in the whole of Scotland.
Of these 6 deaths:
1996 - Hugh and Annie's son, Age 0 in Falkirk
1904 - Hugh Snr I would imagine, age 67 in Larbert fitting that 1901 census entry we found
1935 - probably a newphew (?), age 37 in Larbert*
*I found another brother of Hugh's the other day . A Donald Livitt married Ann Jane McDade in Falkirk in 1898, son of Hugh and Margaret (McIver).
I do think you have found your grandfather's family. From what we have seen in the censuses and BMDs, it fits in great part what stories have been handed down through the family. You have his birth in India, his father in the army and his occupations showing on the censuses and certs.
You also have the use of family names he used for his new family, No.2 Hugh, Marion and Donald (who we now know was a brother of Hugh's).
Hugh stating he was a widower and referring to a criminal past may have been his way of keeping the door to his other life in Scotland firmly shut....
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Morney
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Thank you for your support Monica. It is a lot to digest. There seems to have been some very sad times which need to be healed.
I don't think hugh was a criminal just hard working and hard drinking which may have lead him into unfortunate circumstances.
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Morney
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Hi Anne
Anne Leviet's grave is at Camelon Cemetry section 1 lair 350.
Thank you for the offer.
I am very sad for her if Annie is my Grandfathers first wife. I have in mind to have a mass said for Hugh and all his family.
Many thanks
Morney 
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apanderson
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Hi Morney,
Okey Dokey - first nice day I'll pop into Camelon and see what I can find. I know exactly where Section 1 is, so it'll not be difficult to find.
It won't be over the weekend as there's a Rootchat Glasgow get-together which I'm going to (whoopeeeeeee!) 
In the meantime, here's a couple of wee photos of Camelon Cemetery.
Anne
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apanderson
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Hi Morney,
Not very good news I'm afraid.
I've gone to Camelon twice (just to make sure) and I can't find a stone. There are quite a lot of small stones strewn around but their inscriptions are impossible to make out.
Best I can do, is go back a third time and take a couple of general views of that specific area. I can send you a cemetery map and mark on it (roughly) where the grave is if it's of interest?
Sorry.
Anne
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apanderson
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Map of Camelon Cemetery
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Morney
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Hi Anne
Many thanks for trying and for photos and map. It is very good of you to take so much trouble. I still cannot confirm that this is the right person but I will go on trying. If we could confirm this we could perhaps have the grave marked.
We are having a mass said for Hugh and all his family (who ever they may be) on 16th December although not in Falkirk, so if there are any Livitts, Lovats, Levetts, etc are out there this is for you.
Best wishes
Morney
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Morney
I'll be thinking of you all on the day. Not sure if you will ever find the definitive proof but your intentions are heart felt.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lemon Nelly
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The Levett, Lovatt name changing is common as you say. Also the names are all infrequent in Scotland, many of the "Levett" families originated in the Lewes area of Sussex and are well researched, though I am unsure if that is where the scottish family originated. Not sure if you have been in touch with Falkirk Archives about burial records but if the ones you seek are there the record often gives information on family members and are often more informative than you would think. Good luck
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Morney
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Thank you for your interest. The great great grandfather of this family I found in Scotland was born in Kent so they may well be related to the Levetts from Sussex. I have contacted the burial services in Falkirk, what other information do you think I can find from them? Do you have other info about the Levett family if you know it has been well researched?
Many thanks for your help.
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apanderson
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Hi Morney,
My sincere apologies for not posting photos which I promised to do. I forgot!
This photo is Section 1 and shows the general area where Lair 350 is. Winter isn't the best time to take photos but in the case of this part of ther cemetery, it's the only time some natural light can actually penetrate through the trees.
Anne
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Lemon Nelly
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Hi Morney, first re Levett name. My ex husband was a Levett and I researched his tree as we get along fine. The levetts from the South have been widely researched and if you can let me have the name of the Kent GG Grandfather DOB and anything else if I can connect him up to what I have I am willing to give you any information I have including photographs if we can prove a link.
re Archives, I think it is earlier burials they have, after rereading your thread.
I also saw you mentioned poor house records, when I asked about these at the Archives they told me the records are missing.
I am not on here much but will pop back if I get the e mail notifying me you added again to see if my Levett lot can be of any help to you, Best wishes Lemon
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Morney
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Thank you for your replies, I have just found them so sorry for not replying earlier.
Many thanks Anne for the Photo.
Also Lemon Nelly.
John Levett was born in Kent in 1791, this information was from 1841 and 1851 census. He lived in Glenelg, 1841 and Glasgow 1851. He was in the 8th Regiment of Foot. And an army pensioner. On various marriage certificates of his children he was a labourer, a stone breaker, and boat merchant.
I would be interested if you had any further info about him before 1841.
Many thanks
Morney
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