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johnbarr
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Vowless marriage lookup
« on: Monday 03 November 08 20:48 UTC (UK) »

Would it be possible for anyone to supply details of marriage of my Gr. Grandfather Stephen Vowless to Margaret Sangster - I think in 1864 (from his death record).

I'm assuming it was in NZ.
Where, when and details of her parents would be a big help.

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cmclayton
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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 November 08 21:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi John

Only details that I can give you are

Stephen George William VOWLESS
married 1864  Folio #0601
to Margaret Sangster HUNTER

a "printout" of this marriage in 1864 will not give much detail regarding parents names.

Thanks heaps Christine

PS  Have seen these names before, will have a quick look around.
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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 November 08 21:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi

A small tree, no children or parents listed, date of marriage 5 September 1864.

Note name change to Stephen William Grove VOWLESS  Smiley

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=manktelowsnz

Christine
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 November 08 21:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Christine,
Many thanks for your reply - and great memory!
I've been in contact with Bill Manktelow and exchanged some notes.
He has a very interesting page on Theresa Vowless - first Pakeha woman to set foot on shores of Waikato River at Hamilton!
Stephen had a brother Grove, and his (Stephen's) death notice shows him as Stephen William George Vowless so I think I'll stick with George meantime.

We've managed to trace back further on the Vowless side of the family - it being an unusual surname, but what I'm now trying to do is trace back Margaret Hunter - and there are many listed, so was hoping to get a clue to her parents from Marriage cert.  The Sangster name is probably unusual, but I'm not sure where to start looking for her birth as have no idea of year, although if she was close to her husband's age it would be about 1833.
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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 November 08 22:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi John

A intention to marry might have more details than a "printout"
someone will know ......  "Lu where are you"

Where are Stephen and Margaret buried?
plus have got them on a passenger list?

Christine
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 November 08 22:21 UTC (UK) »

Stephen is buried at Masterton, (d. 1903), which I found on their Cemetery site - I have a printout with details.

Margaret - I have no idea and would welcome any help with this too.

Would welcome any help with finding them on a passenger list also.
There are a few references to Stephen on "Papers Past" but not on any passenger lists.
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 01:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi
1893 electoral roll they are both in Masterton, Kuripuni,
So you would think Margaret was in the area when she died ..unless it was after Stephen and she moved ??to family

I can see how you have had some confusion even on later childrens schoolrecords the names interchange
eg Grove b 30/9/1888 parent sometimes George and other times Grove

Bye
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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 01:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi Althea

If John started a new topic for an Intention to Marry would this help in anyway regarding Margaret's parents names.  Do we need the area that the marriage took place for 1864?

Thanks heaps Christine
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 02:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Christine

The only time a parents' name is shown on an ITM is if one of them is a minor, and they "give consent"


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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 02:43 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Bren,


Ok John   Grin

VOWLESS Margaret Sangster
death year 1925    Folio #2091    Taumarunui

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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 06:31 UTC (UK) »

My family dates back in New Zealand to the 1850/60s ish. Theresa Vowless (who was told to have jumped off a boat and swam ashore) is my great great great great grandmother. She married some guy called Grove Vowless. i got all this info on her from old newspapers at the Waikato.
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 06:37 UTC (UK) »

im a 13 year old, but it would be great to meet some of my extended family!!!! Theresa had about 5-8 children for memory. I did a school project on her. I have heaaps of info. If you genuinly think you are related to her or Grove Vowless, my email is (*), email me, and i will email back! Smiley

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Emma - Jan 2010


Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 18:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Cathy

Welcome to rootschat, wished I had started my family tree at your age.

I am not a relation but have found a Vowless connection in my tree.  A third cousin twice removed Ivy Elizabeth Mills married a Ivan James Vowless from Hamilton.

Thanks heaps Christine
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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 22:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Cathy,
Welcome to Rootschat.
My mother's maiden name was Vowless and she was descended from Stephen Vowless, brother of the Grove Vowless you mention.
A lot has happened since the above request and I now have a lot more data on the Vowless clan in NZ and am happy to share with you. There was an excellent web page describing the arrival of Theresa in Hamilton but unfortunately it was a geocities page and apparently it no longer exists. I wish I had copied it. However, I did keep a copy of the photo of Theresa and here it is.
I'll send you some more data in a PM.
Good Luck with your school project.
Regards
John B


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Re: Vowless marriage lookup
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 November 09 23:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi there
i have just found out that i too am related to theresa vowless...

Walter coop married the sister of grove vowless - and i go from that tree.
If anyone has any pictures of theresa and her brothers and sisters - that would be awesome.
i would love to see also her husbands side - grove and his family - so if anyone has them of knows where to find them - that would be great.

Finding out about your past is so much fun - I love it ...
i did not know much about my dad's family until a week ago - now my eyes have been opened and it is really fun and interesting.

Thanks guys!!!
Justine
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