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Topic: Ox Close, in the Parish of Bakewell. Help please! (Read 1190 times)
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copperbeech5
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Hi,
I am trying to locate where Ox Close was during the 1650 -1750S. I know it was Derbyshire, and I believe it was around Baslow, Hassop area.
Any help trying to locate this place would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Copperbeech5
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sougher
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Hi Copperbeech 5,
I know of the existance of three Ox Close's. One was a farm somewhere in the NW of Derbyshire I would have to dig much deeper to remember where this was, but I think it was on the Nottingham/Newhaven Turnpike (constructed in the mid 1700's - from memory) somewhere around the Alfreton area. The second one is an Oxclose wood near to Haddon Hall south of Bakewell. If you take the A6 north to Rowsley follow the road which bends sharply for Bakewell, carry on to the dual carriage way (Picory Corner) just before the Haddon Hall car park. On the left at Picory Corner is the road to Stanton, Alport and Youlgreave, carry on along this road and on the right before you reach a bridge (on the left) called Hawleys Bridge which goes up to Stanton and Winster, there is a wood fringing the road, this is Oxclose wood, it's before you reach the quarry entrance. There is also a lead mine to the N W of Matlock called the Oxclose lead mine which dates back to about the mid 1500's which I know was worked extensively in the 1600's. I think the one that fits the area where you require could be the one near Picory Corner (I don't think I have the correct spelling for this). In what connection do you want Oxclose for?
Kind regards,
Margaret
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copperbeech5
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Dear Margaret,
Firstly thank you so much for your reply, and help in this matter.
I am posing this question on a friends behalf, so please bear with me!
My friend had 4or5 Wills where Ox Close is mentioned, with a property called "Lower House, Ox Close, in the parish of Bakewell." The Wills are spread over the period of 1600 -1700. The Family concerned was from Baslow, and were the Marsden family. I believe that they were farmers, and they had 2 butchers shops in Baslow.
Lower House (there was also an Upper House in existence) Ox Close was handed down over several generations in the families Wills.
Thank you for your help.
Kind regards,
Copperbeech5
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sougher
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Hi Copperbeech5,
I unearthed my old OS map for Bakewell, Sheet SK 26 1:25 000 First Series and found that the location of the Oxclose Wood (beneath which flows a sough called Black sough or Oxclose sough - a sough [pronouned "suff"] was a drainage level driven from the nearest river i.e. the River Lathkill to dewater local lead mines) although it's name is not shewn on the map it is within the township of Upper and Nether Haddon, which lies within the parish of Bakewell. Baslow is not far away and was in Bakewell parish. If you look at the website for British History Online www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50721 you will find a lot of information about Bakewell, it's early history and what villages and townships made up it's parish.
I found that there is a Bakewell and District Historical Society which has been producing a regular Journal for years now, a complete set of which are at Bakewell Library and can be referred to. I couldn't find an address for you to contact them, but I found out that the Old House Museum, Cunningham Place, Bakewell had been restored by them and given to them by the previous owners. The museum is now closed, only being open from March to October annually. However, there is an email address for you to possibly contact them. info@oldhousemuseum.org.uk for further information. Perhaps one of the members may know more about Oxclose in the township of Nether Haddon if you were to send an enquiry, or if that isn't it perhaps they could advise on an alternative location.
Finally can I suggest if you are within travelling distance of Derbyshire Record Office at Matlock to book an appointment and request to view (if they are available), Bakewell Hearth Tax Assessments (this tax was imposed from 1662-1689); Bakewell Enclosure Awards and map (1700's) and finally Bakewell Tithe Map and Schedule (Tithe map surveys are from the late 1830's to the 1850's). These are a good source of information of family names, field names and who owned what etc. etc. Forgive me sending you this information if you are already aquainted with it, but in the past these documents have helped me.
I am interested in Bakewell because many of my ancestors (KEELING/FOGG/HOWARD) came from this area, and also because I am very interested in the Peak District's lead mining history.
I hope that you are successful in finding out the information you are seeking. If I can be of further help please let me know.
Kind regards,
Margaret (no longer living in Derbyshire, exiled in Hampshire!)
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copperbeech5
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Dear Margaret,
Thank you very much once again. I am not around much tonight, but will confir with my friend, and get back to you!
Thank you for your help,
Copperbeech5
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spendlove
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Hi,
There is a transcript of the Baslow Tithe Award 1841:-
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Baslow/BubnellTithe48.html
Ox Close/meadow x3 mentined. Ox Close is a very common name for a piece of Land, and as you will
see both of these in 1841 were owned by the Duke of Rutland.
You may get a result by searching:-
http://www.a2a.org.uk/
Restrict your search to Derbyshire, enter the names in the wills i.e. "Thomas Marsden".
Spendlove
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copperbeech5
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Hi Spendlove,
Thank you so much for you help, and the links you enclose, I have printed them off and will pass them on to my friend!
All help always much appreciated.
Kind wishes,
Copperbeech5
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spendlove
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Hi All,
Re the Wills 1600 -1700, it is important to establish if the wills contain words to the effect
1. "I leave my freehold or possibly copyhold Ox Close etc" or
2. "I leave the rental of Ox Close etc"
If 1 then this cannot be the land at Chatsworth,
If 2 then it probably is the land at Chatsworth.
Obviously there has been correspondence between you which is not on this site.
Spendlove
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copperbeech5
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Hi,
Thanks once again for the info, I will pass it on, Carol is delighted with the help!
Copperbeech5
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Gardener
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Just wanted to get back to this now I have a few minutes.
I have notes for the Will of Edmund Marsden, proved 1712.
It says that he was
Of Oxclose near Chatsworth. Edmund Snr, husbandman.
He left things to his wife Mary and various kids and their names match with this family group (bold means mentioned in the will):
1674 Thomas
1675 John
1679 Ann
1680 Richard
1686 Edmund
1683 Godfrey
1689 Robert
1690 Anna
1692 Joseph
I think that Godfrey is the one who left a will in 1744 leaving his farm at Oxclose to son Robert, and amongst other things two butchers shops in Baslow to his son Edmund. This is the family of Godfrey:
1715 Hannah
1717 Robert
1719 Edmund
1723 Joseph
1724 Mary (dy)
1726 Godfrey
1729 Elizabeth
So, assuming that this is the family the original question was about, I think there is little doubt they were from Oxclose, Chatsworth.
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sougher
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Hi Copper Beech 5,
Have found a Marsden family tree on the Winster website www.winster-ancestry.com/jmarsden which might also interest you.
It shews the descendents of John MARSDEN of Birchover who married Alice KEELING at Bakewell All Saints on 27/03/1706. There are two conflicting dates of baptism for him (1) 1st April, 1676 and (2) 18th May, 1676, but both say he was born at Oxclose, Baslow, Derbyshire. He died aged 83 at Birchover and was interred at All Saints churchyard Youlgreave on 10/08/1759. Alice who was born in Youlgreave (where my KEELING ancestors come from) died at Birchover aged 59 and interrred at Youlgreave on 27/02/1744.
Margaret.
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copperbeech5
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Hi Gardener,
Thanks so much for your information, it is the same family, Carol also thanks you, for the info, an says she too has a copy of this will.
She wants to know if Ox Close is in Ox pasture, which she thinks is somewhere on the land between the Golden gate, and the Devonshire Arms ( as it is now) She thinks that the area was lost in Capability Browns Landscaping spree.... what do you think?
Thanks also to you Soughter, will tell, Carol it looks very interesting.
many thanks, to you both,
Copperbeech5
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