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Topic: #2 Court, Temple St, Bilston - Is your family here? (Read 1962 times)
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi all,
I originally put this in the Bilston friends and neighbours thread [http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280912.msg2191143] but then realised it would probably get lost in such a long thread and is really an invitation to a new discussion.
As pretty much all the names here have come up in our discussion on that thread and other threads here, i wanted to try a new way of looking at this and see if, between us we can find waht links these families other than just location.
Going through some census sheets that I had printed out a while ago, I found an example from 1871 in Temple St, #2 court at RG10:2950:F150
On the first page of the folio (page 29) we start with:
House #1: James & Mary McKew and family - from William's baptism, I find mother was a Mary Halligan and his godmother was a Catherine McDonough (likely the first wife of Michael McDonough who appears later, as she was originally a Catherine McKew)
#2 James and Mary Oakley with family and lodgers (a tiny grand-daughter's name appears to have been amended because her parents weren't married)
#3 William Brannon, wife Mary and 3 children & William's brother. From the Holy Trinity baptismal index, I can see that William was baptised in Bilston and his mother's maiden name was Walsh. There are two sets of lodgers in the same household, a widower and daughter named Gaven and Edward Walsh and son, also Edward. The older Edward seems to be still married but wife not at home.
#4 John and Ellen Nayley? with child Hannah and widowed stepmother Hannah Durkin
#5 Stephen and Honora Coughlin and children
[added: from the baptism records for their children, it looks like Honora/Honor's maiden name was Hassett or possibly Harrett]
#6 Barney and Sarah Callaghan and lodger George Bucknall
#7 Michael and Winifred McDonough with Mary and Julia. Mary's mother was Catherine McKew. Some time after Catherine's death, Michael remarried to widow Winifred Biggins, whose maiden name was Lally. Winifred is Julia's mother.
With them are lodgers John Murphy and Mary with daughter Bridget. According to FREEBMD a John Murphy may have married a Mary Clynes in this region in 1867. [this McDonough family is strongly suspected to closely related to my ancestors and there is a John Clynes who is godparent to one of the children in my family]
#8 Thomas and Ann Evans and two children
Court #2 seems to be between houses 50 and 51 on Temple Street itself and at 51 and 52 are more Halligan and Lally families.
Many of these names have come up in our discussions so I would love comments and feedback - particularly from descendants of these families.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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DudleyWinchurch
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The same court ten years later
(this is partly done from transcriptions as I only have one of the relevant pages so if anyone wants to correct anything, I will be very grateful)
Starting at RG11:2813:F144:P27- F145:P29
At house #1 is still James and Mary and the younger children (but now they are spelled McKue on A**- also found elsewhere McCue and McHugh)
#2 Still the Oakleys but no children or lodgers
#3 Henry and Mary Jones with children and Thompson step-children
#4 Thomas and Rebecca Newton
#5 John and Onour Allen with daughter and Higgins step-children
#6 Thomas and Bridget O'Neill with children and Coyne step-children.
[From the children's baptism records, Bridget's name was originally McDonough and she was previously married to a John Coyne]
#7 is now Patrick and Catherine Conroy with baby Mary.
[from Mary's baptism, Catherine's maiden name was Corcoran]
#8 is John and Julia Coyne with children and sister, Ellen Burke
[from the children's baptisms, Julia was originally Burke]
There is a Thomas Evans lodging next door at #51 Temple St but he is 70 and so far too old to be the Thomas at #8 court 2, 10 years earlier.
Again, if anyone can add any information on any of these families, I would love to hear from you.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi ponjalow,
The baptism records for Holy Trinity up to the 1890s are held at the Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives at St Chad's in Birmingham, although you would normally just view them on microfilm there.
If you want to give me some names with approximate dates, I can see if the records you need are on any of the images I have for my own research, over the next couple of days. Also I am in the process of transcribing the index to the baptismal registers but have only got as far as "C" so far but can do lookups in that if you have any names early in the alphabet.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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emgee
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Hi Sheila.
You are already aware of my interest in the Walsh family and the connection to the Graven family.
I noted the Walsh and Gaven's in your topic. Do you have their birthplace details please?
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emgee
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Hi ponjalow
I noticed a Catharine Killgallon married a William Devanny 1n 1857. Ref Wolverhampton 6b 767.
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emgee
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Sorry ponjalow but I have only limited resources.
I presume your Catherine is the one registered Mar qtr 1883 Wolverhampton 6b 670.
If so a Birth Certificate from GRO will give you the mothers maiden name.
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DudleyWinchurch
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There's also an Elizabeth Roberts, born 15/2/1905 and baptised at Holy Trinity 5/3/1905, daughter of Edward Roberts and Mary/Maria? Kilgallon.
about a month later an Ann/Anne/Anna/Hannah/Nancy? Kilgallon was godmother to a child whose family name was Christopher.
can't find any Duffys as yet but still haven't completed the "C"s so may be some soon. It could be quite a while until I get as far as "K". Sorry.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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DudleyWinchurch
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Sorry emgee,
Brannon, Walsh and Gavan adults just give "Ireland" as their place of origin.
Brannon children were born Bilston. Walsh and Gavan children born Wolverhampton.
In 1861, there is an Edward Walsh, not the right age but living in the same court and with brother Michael and sister Ann, they are living with their sister Mary O'Brien, who is married. Again all the adults just from Ireland in general.
and in 1971, at house 1, 4 court, Oxford Street there are a Catherine Walsh from Ireland, age 52, with daughter and son, born in Bilston, Eileen, 17 and Michael, 13.
Sheila
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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emgee
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Thanks Sheila
The 1871 Census family is mine.
You gave me vol and page no for Michael's Birth but his mothers maiden name is wrong - see my other thread. .
(GRO believe that given so many other details tie up that it must be a correct Cert. and the name misheard or the mother misunderstood and gave her mother's maiden name!!)
Did you give me sister Ellen's vol and page no.? She was born 31 May 1854 and baptised Helena. I can't seem to find it.
Thanks again.
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi Emgee,
Sorry, I don't recollect it but the only place I would get GRO reference numbers from is FREEBMD, and can't find Ellen/Helen etc. on there.
If you got the certificate from GRO, have you tried calling the local registry and explaining the problem? It maybe that it was wrongly transcribed when it was sent to GRO so you could ask them to check the original register.
I usually use FREEBMD to locate the most likley record then apply to the local Register Office and give them all the details I can find. Wolverhampton have been very good and have even called me in the past to check or to tell me that they were forwarding the request to another Office as it was not one of theirs (a child born over the border from Bilston in Sedgley, hence Dudley Record Office).
Sheila
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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DudleyWinchurch
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Ok, the only additional information that I have at present is that:
1st March 1891
a Mary Kilgallon was confirmed at Holy Trinity with the name of Elizabeth
15th July 1900
an Ellen Kilgallon was confirmed at Holy Trinity with the name of Elizabeth
12th May 1912
a Patrick Kilgallon was confirmed at Holy Trinity with the name of John
In each case the Bishop was the Rev. Dr Ilsley, Bishop of Birmingham
On both occasions, the sponsor for the girls was Miss Agnes Mottram (a teacher at Holy Trinity School and distantly related to me (by marriage)) and the sponsor for the boys on the last occasion was a Mr Walker.
There were no confirmations listed for Holy Trinity between 1900 and 1912 so it may be that confirmation for those years took place centrally at St Chad's Cathedral?
If this is your family, as they were catholics, they would probably have been baptised and attended school at Holy Trinity. As I said earlier, it could be sometime before I get as far as "K" with the baptism index so the only way to check this before then would be at the Archdiocesan Archives at St Chad's in Birmingham, where you can read the index and the baptismal records on microfilm.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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