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lizzyann
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Please can anyone help? My grannies name is: Esther Christina Spencer she was born 7th June 1888 her husband was William Spooner.
My grannies parents were Spanish and Italian but I have no names for them, all I no is that her father was a Travelling Spanish Gypsy.
Please can anyone help? Thank you 
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AnneMc
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Hi There Lizzyann
The first thing I would do is get the marriage record for Christina as it will have her father's name listed. Was Christina born in England. If so, I would also get her birth certificate as it would have both father and mothers name listed along with mothers maiden name.
Hope this is of some help.
Cheers
Anne
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lizzyann
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Thank you so much, do you no whre I can get the birth certificate, and how much it would be Thank you once again Lizzyann
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deb usa
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Hi
I wonder if this is her birth registration with the surname mistranscribed;
Esther Christina Spender 
sept q 1888
Wandsworth, Greater London, London, Surrey
Vol 1d page 545
umm this tallies
marriage;
Esther Christina Spender = William Henry Spooner
sept q 1908
Lambeth Greater London, London, Surrey
Vol 1d pg 650
seems that her surname was SpenDer
deb
will look further
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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jamajo
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Could this be your family, name spelt Spender 
1891 RG12 / 427 / 16 / 26
Frederick Spender, head, widower, age 38, naturalized british subject Haine, occ gen lab
Samuel, son, age 17, b Lambeth, Surrey, occ engine cleaner
Alfred, son, age 12, b Lambeth
Annie,dau,age 15, b Lambeth
Frank, son, age 8, b Battersea
Sarah, dau, age 6, b Battersea
Charles, son, age 4, b Battersea
Ester, dau, age 2 b Battersea
Address 23 Sterndale Road, Battersea
Sue
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deb usa
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there is this interesting family in 1901
1901
Lambeth London
Frederick Spender head mar 47 smith & fitter b SPAIN (natural gr British subject ..maybe naturalised?)
Elizabeth wife 27 b London, lambeth
Charles son 14 port errand boy b Battersea
Esther E dau 12 b battersea wrong middle initial I can't find a birth for an Esther E in 1888/9
Mabel dau 10 months b Clapham
in 1891
they are mistranscribed as SPONDER
Battersea
Frederick Spender head widr gen lab 38 b naturalised British Subject
Samuel son 17 b Lambeth
Alfred son 12 "
Annie dau 15 "
Frank son 8 b Battersea
Sarah dau 6 "
Charles son 4 "
ESTHER dau 2 "
Only order her birth cert and/or her marriage cert would confirm parents names.
deb
hi Sue just seen your post ...SNAP!!! 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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umm in prior censues he's not from Spain ??
do you see him Sue?
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Births
George W Spooner
Dec q 1911
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender
Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex
Vol 1b p 515
Lawrence H A Spooner
june q 1916
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender
Holborn London, Middlesex
Vol1b p 990
Mabel E Spooner
june q 1913
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender
Lambeth Greater London, London, Surrey
Vol 1d p 496
can't find any Spooner children with mother's maiden name SPENCER.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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lizzyann
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Hi! There Deb, yes I'm pretty sure her name was Spender as well
it's definately Lambeth London Thanks. Lizzy
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deb usa
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Hi sue
yes I did see it ...everything adds up except Fred's POB ...with him stating Paddington in 1881 you can trace him back to 1861 with his parents, neither of whom are foreigners. I wonder if he was born Spain but his parents registered him in London.
I am not sure how these things worked then ...but if he was born to British parents why would he have to be naturalised ?? Doesn't make sense.
deb
hi Lizzie ...welcome Hope you have fun here! Do you have any other info for us? Deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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lizzyann
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Hi! all and thanks for helping my dad was Laurance Henry Spooner
My grannie is my dad's mum I definately sure her name is Spender not Spencer, my mum think she might have been adopted at one stage but my grannie allways said her parents were spanish and Italian.
But they do come from Greater Lambeth London, Sue might have the right family. Lambeth and Battersea rings a bell.
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lizzyann
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[b][/b][i][/i]Also my grannies dad was born in Spain and came back to this Country, my mum sais he was a Steeple Jack but had a bad accident and had to be trained for something else, hope this all helps..
Thanks once again for helping everyone
Lizzyann
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lizzyann
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Hope this one helps my 4th generation cousin sent this to me:
William Henry Spooner married Esther Christina Spender
1908 3rd quarter Lambeth 1d650 what ever that means.
Lizzyann
OH! Also I think my father had a brother as well who died very young. But don't no any names. My father's sisters' were Mable, Violet, Annie, Winnie, and of course my dad Laurance.
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deb usa
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Hi
okay in 1881 Fred is married to Emily and has kids . Going by their eldeast son, Frederick being born in 1870 Chelsea ...we find a Fredeick Spender b Trowbridge with wife Ann, b Chelsea and son frederick, in 1871.
so is Fred born Wiltshire/Paddington or Spain ?
is Emily and Ann one and the same person ??... both b Chelsea circa 1850/1
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MARRIAGE
Frederick Spender = Emily Ann Noseda
SEPT Q 1870
Chelsea, Greater London, London, Middlesex
Vol 1a P 383
So she used both names
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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