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Topic: SPENDER/NOSEDA/PARADICE (Read 3047 times)
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lizzyann
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 Thanks debs So we ae stuck for the moment.
I will ask my friend again Christine on Genes Reunited if we can come up with anything else. Lets hope someone might no something else now.
Thanks for all your help and silvery as well, also cathay.
Lizzy
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lizzyann
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I will have another go but they said this certificate has been produced outside our normal production system due to the poor qulity of the origanal filmed record.
But I will try again. Lizzy
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deb usa
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Hi back from grocery shopping ...
I need to reread ... Lizzy ....eeekkkk you need to redo your heading ... Spencer should be SPENDER
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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lizzyann
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 Debs I now have the marriage certificate came through this morning.
William Henry Spooner Age 27 Bachelor (Hairdresser) Father's name: Alfred Henry Spooner
Esther Christina Spender 21 Spinster Father's name: William Frederick Spender. Blacksmith
Its very blurred to read. so i can't make out what Alfred did for living.
My mum tells me she thinks that Esther could have been adopted at one time.
Their address: Can't read it as it is blurred but I could send you a copy of the birth and marriage certificate.
Lizzy (OK will do the heading again)
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lizzyann
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:)my mum says now she got it wrong that william frederick spender changed his name to spender cause they were imigrants.
After Esther was born Frederick Spender first wife had another child an died in child birth.
Then he remarried again, to an Irish woman.
Gosh my family is sooo!!!!!!! :oconfusing.
Lizzy
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deb usa
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hi lizzy ...nice to see you back
The Spencer/Spender family must have be immigrants a long time ago as we have trace frederick Spender's family back to the 1841 census.
frederick's second wife was Elizabeth ...but I have not been able to find their marriage yet.
this is his life;
1901
Lambeth London
Frederick Spender head mar 47 smith & fitter b SPAIN (natural gr British subject ..maybe naturalised?)
Elizabeth wife 27 b London, lambeth>>>>>> new wife
Charles son 14 port errand boy b Battersea
Esther E dau 12 b battersea wrong middle initial I can't find a birth for an Esther E in 1888/9
Mabel dau 10 months b Clapham
in 1891
they are mistranscribed as SPONDER
Battersea
Frederick Spender head widr gen lab 38 b naturalised British Subject
Samuel son 17 b Lambeth
Alfred son 12 "
Annie dau 15 "
Frank son 8 b Battersea
Sarah dau 6 "
Charles son 4 "
ESTHER dau 2 "
In 1881 RG11/606/105/39
Fred Spender 28 b Paddington, lab
Emily 29 b Chelsea
Fred 10 b Chelsea
Samuel 7 b Lambeth
Ann 4 b Lambeth
In 1861 we find Frederick Spender , 8 years old with his parents Frederick , 35 carpenter b Trowbridge and Elizabeth , 30 b Lambeth Surrey. His siblings are ;
Joseph 7
Alfred 5
Edward 3
sarah Ann 6months
living in Regent st, Chelsea
Now Frederick, the father, is with his family in 1851
St Luke, Chelsea
1 Doyley Street
Isaac Spender head 50 carpenter b Wilts, Salisbury
Sarah wife 48 b Trowbridge
FRED 23 carpenter b Trowbridge...this is frederick Jnr's dad
Esther dau 22 dressmaker b "
Eliza 15 b Trowbridge
Sarah A 7 b "
so Frederick Spender b c 1853 married Emily Ann Noseda and wife 2 = Elizabeth ??
His parents were Frederick and Elizabeth
His grandparents were Isaac and Sarah
in 1841
Isaac Spender 40 carpenter, retailer of beer
Sarah 35
Esther 13
FREDERICK 15 ..he married Elizabeth ?? and had son FREDERICK who married Emily Ann Noseda
Joseph 9
Eliza 4
Rhoda 2
Esther PARADICE 70 ind
I wonder why we don't have 1871 for them?
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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OMG ...just noticed you have marriage details .... wooohoooooooooo ... i will have a look around and see if i can find his family .... 
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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lizzyann
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Sorry about all this debs. Frederick Spender changed his name over here cause they were imigrants so my mum says she got it wrong about being adopted.
After Esther Frederick wife had another child and died in child birth.
He then remarried an Irish woman.
Gosh my family is soooo!!!!!! confusing. 
Lizzy
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deb usa
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Hi
I have found him in 1901
London , St Pancras
Edward Wellings and family
Anne Spooner visitor 50 Monthly Nurse/sick b holborn London
WILLIAM Spooner visitor 20 HAIRDRESSER b London pentonville
will look for him in prior censuses ...late here , must go for now...
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi girls
Okay ...foloowing up on William Henry Spooner ...we have him in 1901 as a hairdresser with Annie Spooner ....
1891;
15 St Percy st, St James Clerkenwell, London
George A LAUGHTON head mar 25 solicitor's clerk b Clerkenwell
Mary E wife 22 b Yorks, Sheffield
Sarah Mother wid 63 b Notts
Katie A sister single 22 28 jewelry polisher/gold b Lancashire PReston
Alfred G SPOONER nephew 13 office boy / port b St Pancras London
WILLIAM H SPOONER nephew 10 scholar b Islington London
Mary J Woolhouse visitor 20 single b Yorks, Sheffield
William's dad was Alfred Henry Spooner according to his marriage cert ...
marriage
Alfred Henry Spooner = Annie Elizabeth LAUGHTON
June q 1875
Pancras London, Middlesex
vol 1b pg 63
will look for more info
deb
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« Last Edit: Monday 26 January 09 13:26 UTC (UK) by deb usa »
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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aaahhhhaaaaa ...here they are all together
1881
12 Cummings st, St James, Ckerkenwell
Alfred H SPOONER head married 31 warehouseman b Pimlico, Middlesex
Annie E wife 30 Ostrich feather cleaner b Holborn
Alfred G son 3 b clerkenwell
WILLIAM H son 6 months b Clerkenwell
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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okay ...
this is Alfred H Spooner with his family
1871
12 Carlton street
JOhn Spooner head mar 46 carpenter b Norfolk, Gunthorpe
Anna M wife 40 b eastbourne sussex
ALFRED H son 21 telegraph clerk b Pimlico
Clara M dau 13 b St Pancres
Ada L dau 6 b Islington
Grace E dau 2 b St Pancras
William Chard lodger 34 painter b Devonshire, Chard
1861
12 Caledonia place, Islington, Finsbury
Anna M SPOONER wife mar 30 b eastbourne sussex
Alfred H son 11 b pimlico ??elton Place
Clara M dau 3 b Drumond Street
John A son 1 b Islington , 12 Calodonia Place
can't see them in 1851 yet .... also I wonder why there is such a gap between Alfred and Clara's birth
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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