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sula sgeir
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My grandfather John Anderson RNVR First WW; saw action at Dardenelles on a minesweeper; ship was sunk;he caught typhoid and cas-evac to RN Haslar Hospital Portsmouth on hospital ship HMS Aquitania;died at Cumbernauld.
His sisters were Margaret Eadie Anderson, QARANC, and Jennifer Anderson. Neither married. Margaret buried in Glendevon Parish Church.
Their father also John Anderson, and an uncle Robert (?).
Any one out there able to provide any more details ? 
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Bilge
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Do you have any dates or his draft number or is he one of these:
ANDERSON, John, Able Seaman, RNVR, Clyde 2/2702, Diligence, 4 November 1917, drowned
ANDERSON, John, Act/Leading Seaman, RNR, B 3208, Calliope, steamship, 12 July 1917, submarine action, ship lost
ANDERSON, John, Able Seaman, RNVR, CZ 5648, RND, Anson Battalion, 17 November 1916, France, DOI
ANDERSON, John, Chief Stoker, 276492, Erin, 25 April 1915, died in UK
ANDERSON, John, Stoker 1c, SS 110650 (Po), Black Prince, 31 May 1916, Jutland, ship lost
ANDERSON, John A, Carpenter's Crew, M 16423 (Ch), Indefatigable, 31 May 1916, Jutland, ship lost
ANDERSON, John C, Seaman, RNR, A 2235, Mantua, 5 August 1915, died
ANDERSON, John D, Signalman, RNVR, Clyde Z 8101, Bittern, 4 April 1918, ship lost
ANDERSON, John E, Private, RMLI, S 721 (Ply), RND, 2nd RM Battalion, 26 October 1917, France, killed
ANDERSON, John R, Cooper (Pens), 135921 (Ch), Hawke, 15 October 1914, ship lost
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Sula
Welcome to RootsChat
Can't easily see a John with a father John with a reference to living in or born in Auchterarder as yet on the 1901 census. There is an entry for a Margarert Eadie Anderson, daughter of Peter and Margaret b. 1889 in Auchterarder, which is a close match in birth year to the Margaret Anderson who died in Glendevon in 1970 (is this the correct death?).
What additional info do you have on your grandfather. Lots of questions here which will help us all in finding his family:
Did he marry in England or Scotland?
What was father John's occupation?
What was his approximate birth year?
Have you managed to see his death cert. which would include details of his parents (if known to the informant).
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sula sgeir
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First of all thank you very much for your replies. John Anderson married Eleanor, (Mitchell from Greenock maybe around 1917/ 1918 )- she had sisters Florence, Elspeth and maybe another sister Anne (who I believe emigrated to Canada). Their father was Dugald MacI nnes Mitchell and I'm told a sea captain. Ella died in 1919 in Southampton a few months after giving birth. An address at the Polygon in Southampton.
John Anderson was on the MV Northmoor which struck amine and sank off the west coast of Ireland on 17 March 1917.
He was a qualified marine Engineer and I believe did some of his training at the North British Locomotive works in Glasgow, whilst sudying at a technical college in Glasgow. I also seem to remember many years ago seeing his certificate and exam paper questions dated around 1899 / 1900.
I'm told that some of the family were in service at Gleneagles House, and that there are graves in Blackford (which I think is near Auchterarder) where a number of Andersons are buried tho I don't know where John Anderson's grave is. I would like to visit if its still exists.
I recall being told that he walked several miles to get to school which was presumably in Auchterarder.
I have a photograph of him which could be Stanley Park Vancouver next to one of the giant Redwood trees. It would be about 1910/ 11
I don't think John Anderson had a middle name.
The Aquitania was of course one of the luxury Cunard Liners which saw service in both World Wars. There was an article in a recent copy of the Scots Magazine.
best wishes
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Sula
Thanks for the PM
I thought I would respond on your main post to try and keep your threads all together - also always the possibility that the more information that is added, the higher the chance that someone may recognise some of the names in their lines!
Re Eleanor, this looks like here and family in the 1901 census. I've taken it from a transcript, which as you can see below, is a bit garbled at points:
Dugald Mitchall, Mechanceae Engencer, b. Greenock
Elizabeth A Mitchall 38, b. England
Annie E Mitchall 15, b. England
Elenor Mitchall 9, b. Greenock
Elizabeth A Mitchall 6, b. Greenock
Florence Mitchall 6 months, b. Greenock
Address: At Sea  , Greenock
I found John and Eleanor's marriage I think, in England:
Marriages 2nd Qrt 1916
Anderson John and Eleanor Mitchell in Grimsby Vol. 7a Pg. 1605
The marriage cert would help to confirm John's age, father and father's occupation, giving us a fresh stab at the censuses for him.
Now that we have Eleanor with family and her approx. birth year, she must have been a bit younger than John if he was doing his training at the NBL works in Glasgow in the late 1890s...hopefully, the marriage cert will reveal more to help us track him down
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sula
Bear with me as I list some census entries 
Back in earlier posts, you said that Margaret Eadie Anderson was a sister of John. It was easy to be distracted by the one and only census entry showing as Margaret Eadie Anderson born in Auchterarder c. 1889! The only problem with this entry is that her parents were Peter and Margaret, rather than father John.
I've gone through the censuses again, and found a possibility for John and father John and a possible reason why your John's sister had a middle name Eadie. Also, ticking another couple boxes from the info you have, are references to Gleanagles House and Blackford...phew!
If I can start back and then go forward. There is a John Anderson and a Margaret EADIE who married on 09 DEC 1855 (actual extract) in Blackford, Perth. A submitted entry on IGI has the following info:
JOHN ANDERSON
Parents:JAMES ANDERSON and JANET FORBES
Spouse:MARGARET EADIE
Parents:WILLIAM EADIE and MARY STEWART
Marriage: 11 DEC 1855 Blackford, Perth, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 48
Wife Age at Marriage: 23
Children showing to John and Margaret on IGI - all births in Blackford:
1. WILLIAM ANDERSON Birth: 28 DEC 1856
2. MARY STEWART ANDERSON Birth: 07 MAY 1858
3. JOHN ANDERSON Birth: 03 APR 1860
4. ANN ANDERSON Birth: 18 MAR 1862
5. MARGARET ANDERSON Birth: 04 MAR 1864
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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1861 Census - everyone born in Blackford:
John Anderson 52, gamekeeper
Margaret Anderson 28
William Anderson 4
John Anderson 1
Robert Eadie 26, visitor, spirit merchant
Ann Lawson 23, servant
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1871 Census - not sure if John Snr. may have died:
Margret Anderson 38, head, housekeeper
John Anderson 11
Margret Anderson 7
Janet Anderson, mother in law, annuitant, b. Ardoch, Perthshire
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1881:
Margaret Anderson 48, head, housekeeper
John Anderson 21, brewer
Margaret Anderson 17
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1891 - Possible marriage/family for your John perhaps. Everyone showing as born in Stirling:
John Anderson 31, brewer, b. Blackford
Jessie Anderson 37
George Scotland 12, stepson
Jessie Anderson 5...Jessie/Janet/Jennifer?
Maggie Anderson 3...sister Margaret (Eadie?) A.
John Anderson 1, b. Stirling...Your John I hope!
Address: Forth Pl, Stirling
1901 - not sure where parents John and Jessie are (they may have died?) but this looks like the children:
William E Anderson 44, Brewers Agent & Tea Mercht., b. Blackford
Agnes M Anderson 32, wife b. Edinburgh
Margaret Anderson 70, mother,
Margaret Anderson 13, neice, b. Stirling
John Anderson 11, nephew, b. Stirling
Margaret Anderson 2, servant, b. Blairgowrie, Perthshire
Address: The Bangalow, Auchterarder
There is a Jessie Anderson showing as niece in 1901:
Robert Duff 55, farmer, b.Metherin, Perthshire....this may well be 'Uncle Robert'
Maggie A Duff 37, b. Blackford....and likely aunt to your John
Robert W Duff 4, b. Kilmadock
Margaret M E Duff 10months, b. Kilmadock
Jessie Anderson 15, niece, b. Stirling
Annie Rainey McDonald 17, servant
George Guthrie 19, servant
James Lafferty 20, servant
Address: Upper Lanrick Farm, Kilmadock Perth.
The only thing from what you said that is bothering me, is the ref. to his certificate and exam paper questions dated around 1899 / 1900. Going by the info above, if we are on the right track, in would have to have been closer to 1909/10.
Hopefully, the marriage cert for your John and Eleanor will be conclusive - it would be good to see father John as brewer or similar occupation
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Curiosity always get the better of me, the longer I focus on a search
We have your grandfather John with the details above  You mentioned a death for him in Cumbernauld. He died before the cut off for viewing certs on line at Scotlands People. The details:
24 October 1942: John Anderson, 53, marine engineer widower of Ella Mitchell.
Usual residence, Ravenswood, Cumbernauld.
Parents: John Anderson, brewer and Jessie Anderson, previously Scotland, maiden name RAE - both deceased
Cause of death: pulmonary tuberculosis, informant xxx Duff, cousin.
Great result for you Sula
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kirkmichael
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A minor contribution to this thread..........
Elizabeth Ann MITCHELL was born in 1894 in Greenock to Dugald MITCHELL, Engineer, and Elizabeth Ann MITCHELL MS TAYLOR, who had married in 1884 in Sunderland.
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And then there's the 1885 marriage of John ANDERSON, Brewer, 24, parents John ANDERSON, Farmer (deceased) and Ann ANDERSON MS EADIE, to Jessie SCOTLAND Widow 30, parents George RAE (deceased) and Janet RAE MS TAYLOR..................
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sula sgeir
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Thanks for the postings 8 and 9 with further information adding to the 'threads'.
I'm looking to scan in some photographs of John Anderson. For instance there is a studio portrait of John and his two older sisters ( Margaret and Jenny/Janet ) taken, I was told, shortly after the death of their mother. The y are dressed as for a period of mourning ; John is probably about two and ahalf and not really aware of the solemnity of the situation whereas the girls are quite sad looking.
Other photos in his later life and quite a few in his photo album taken on the SY Sunbeam.
The Sunbeam was broken up in the 30s, but there exists an engineering model in the Durbar room in the museum at Hastings in Sussex. It looks very similar to the photographs in John's album so could be the same ship / steam yacht.
It was previously owned by the Brassey family of the Normanhurst Estates in East Sussex, and they went on a round the world trip in the 1870s, recorded by Lady Brassey in her book 'Voyage in the Sunbeam'. There are originals of this book in the same museum. I also have an original passed down thru my family. I understand the Brasseys had been railway engineers in South America, and later members of the family represented Kent constituencies in Parliament.
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sula sgeir
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Thanks for the last posting and a further 'thread' in the picture.
In his journal John Anderson refers to his second voyage to sea. An interesting line is ;
" Very few people saw us sail [from Grangemouth]. Mr W Eadie the owner was one of them and another was George Scotland who was amazed to see such a small ship setting out on such a voyage [ to Vancouver]. The engineers of a ship never see much of the arrival and departure from port, they are too busy down below.
Getting right away we soon passed under the Forth Bridge and settled down for whatever was in store for us."
I'm planning to post all of the journal, which I think he typed up during the time he lived at Ravenswood Farm, Cumbernauld.
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sula sgeir
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The date of departure from Grangemouth would have been early 1911.
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MonicaLesl
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Sula sgeir has asked me to attach the photograph for John Anderson
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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