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scotsbornaussie
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LOOKING FOR THE PARENTS OF STEPHEN KEEP BORN ABT 1771 AND ANNE ELMER (BORN ABT 1771 OF FLITWICK, BEDFORSHIRE.
STEPHEN AND ANNE WERE MARRIED 18 OCT 1794 IN FLITWICK, BEDS
THEY HAD A SON WILLIAM KEEP BORN 4.7.1807 CHRISTENED ON 12 JUL 1807 IN FLITWICK, BEDS. WILLIAM WAS TRANSPORTED TO VAN DIEMANS LAND ON "THE CLYDE IN 1830".
STEPHEN KEEP IS MY HUSBAND'S G,G,G, GRANDFATHER AND ANY HELP TRACING HIS FAMILY BACK WOULD BE GREAT.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT STEPHEN KEEP WAS THE ILLIGITIMATE CHILD OF RICHARD STILLMAN AND ANNE KEEP (NEE BATES) BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO FIND ANY INFO ON THIS.
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bedfordshire boy
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Welcome to Rootschat!
Have you checked the IGI at www.familysearch.org ? There's an Ann Elmer, daughter of John and Mary, baptised on 13 Oct 1771 at Flitwick. An Ann Keep age 48 was buried at Flitwick on 30 Nov 1881.
That's the easy one done. Stephen is more difficult. The earliest Keep entry in Flitwick parish register was the 1794 marriage, so it doesn't seem as though he was from Flitwick. But in the 1841 census he is shown as aged 70 (ie aged 70-74) born Beds. Virtually all of pre 1812 baptisms and marriages in Beds have been extracted onto the IGI, and he doesn't show. Nor is there a Stephen Stillman or Stephen Bates.
FreeBMD has a death of a Stephen Keep in the Dec quarter 1853 in Ampthill registration district, which includes Flitwick, which looks like him. Which begs the question as where he is in 1851 as I can't find him in the census! Ah, found him now transcribed as Sheck! Stephen Keep 80 widower born Beds Kempson, father, in household of Richard and Rebecca Martin.
So that seems to have narrowed his birthplace down to Kempston, Beds, where the only Keep baptism is of Mary Keep in 1757, daughter of Thomas and Sarah. So that doesn't help much! Nor is there a Stephen baptised in Kempston which could be him.
Someone has a tree on Ancestry showing he was born on 3 Feb 1771, the son of Thomas Keep and Ann Bates, but they also show that Thomas died in 1868, which may actually give credence to your Stillman story. But without a baptism you're stuck. This same tree also has Thomas and Ann having another son in 1805 in Massachusetts, so I place little credence on it. Another tree shows his father as Richard Stilman, but with no sources
I've checked A2A and Beds Record Office online catalogues for any bastardy proceedings but have drawn a blank. A Richard Stillman and wife Mary baptised a daughter Sarah in Ampthill in 1770, but then disappeared.
You need to check the 1794 marriage to see if any further details are given, in particular Stephen's parish of residence and the names of the witnesses. Check with BLARS (Bedford & Luton Archives and Records Service) to see if they hold any Keep wills might be an idea, to see if a son Stephen is mentioned.
Other than that I'm at a loss to suggest what else you can do.
David
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Kappalyn
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Hi,
Stephen keep is also my 4 x Great grandfather. You might be interested in this website re the Keeps
http://www.keepdna.net/index.html
The following is an extract from the site with particular reference to Stephen Keep
"Richard was born out of wedlock to Thomas Keep and Ann Bates in 1765 at Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire. Thomas, a farmer, married Ann Bates on 19 May 1766 at Marston Moretaine. He had previously been married to Sarah Ambridge; their wedding took place on 12 February 1756 at Kempston, Bedfordshire. Thomas died and was buried on 17 January 1768 at Marston Moretaine. On 15 January 1768 Ann received two shillings and from that date until at least 1796 she was to receive regular payments from the Marston Overseers. Ann remarried John Denton on 4 October 1771 at Marston Moretaine; however, prior to this marriage she had an illegitimate child by Richard Stilman, a boy Stephen Keep baptised on 3 February 1771 at Marston Moretaine, and noted son of Anne Keep. From her marriage to Thomas she had two other sons. The first son, Thomas, born 1766, who may be the subject of an entry in the Churchwarden’s records on 24 January 1778, covering payments from the Parish for his burial"
Margaret
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bedfordshire boy
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"Richard was born out of wedlock to Thomas Keep and Ann Bates in 1765 at Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire (there's no baptism in Marston Moretaine of a Richard Keep or Bates). Thomas, a farmer, married Ann Bates on 19 May 1766 at Marston Moretaine (confirmed IGI). He had previously been married to Sarah Ambridge; their wedding took place on 12 February 1756 at Kempston, Bedfordshire (confirmed from Kempston PR transcript, but they were both otp. However there were no Keeps buried in Kempston, and there's a Sarah Keep buried at Marston Moretaine on 8 Oct 1763 (NBI)). Thomas died and was buried on 17 January 1768 at Marston Moretaine (confirmed NBI). On 15 January 1768 Ann received two shillings and from that date until at least 1796 she was to receive regular payments from the Marston Overseers. Ann remarried John Denton on 4 October 1771 (confirmed IGI) at Marston Moretaine; however, prior to this marriage she had an illegitimate child by Richard Stilman, a boy Stephen Keep baptised on 3 February 1771 at Marston Moretaine and noted son of Anne Keep (there's no such baptism on the IGI, and Marston Moretaine PR has been extracted). From her marriage to Thomas she had two other sons. The first son, Thomas, born 1766 (baptised 30 Oct 1766), who may be the subject of an entry in the Churchwarden’s records on 24 January 1778, (the NBI shows no burial of a Thomas between 1775 and 27 March 1778 - Thomas Goodwin) covering payments from the Parish for his burial"
Whilst the account seems plausible, given the anomalies I'd want to check Marston Moretaine parish register to see if the entries that I've flagged have been missed from the IGI. If there is no baptism of either Richard or Stephen then the account must be regarded as suspect.
An online tree includes the following about Richard Keep
"Shipping Records show:-
Richard Keep age 42 Native Wootton Religion C of E occupation shown as convict Parents Thomas Keep and Ann Bates"
I haven't been able to verify this yet
David
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marieK
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I am also tracing the Keep family and have really enjoyed some of the information that I got from this rootschat.
My husband is a descendant of William (the Convict) Keep. So I was really interested in finding out who his parents were from this page. I believe Stephen and Anne had 9 children and it is the youngest William who is the great great etc etc grandfather on my husband.
Hope to be able to share more.
Many thanks.
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Carolina47
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Discussions re the Keep family of Wootton, Bedf.
1) Richard Keep, convict:
Was ancestor Richard Keep (who married Elizabeth Hull at Wootton in 1788) the same RK who arrived in Australia as a convict, having been tried at the Surrey Assizes in 1807 for stealing a bag of beans?
There was a Richard Keep in Richmond, Surrey, as follows:
Baptisms for Richard & Elizabeth Keep, Richmond, Surrey:
Mary b.1792
Richard b.1794 - bur.22.8.1794 Richmond, inf.
Richard b.1796 - bur.4.12.1796 Richmond, inf.
Elizabeth Keep bur.4.12.1796 Richmond, 21 years.
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Partnerships dissolved:
John Woodcock & Richard Keep, of the New Cut Windmill, Lambeth Marsh, millers. 18.5.1807 Could this be the RK who stole the beans?
2) Samuel Keep, son of Richard Keep & Elizabeth nee Hull:
There are two baptisms for the above:
24.3.1799 Wootton & 2.8.1803 Wootton. Samuel married 1.2.1821 at Wootton, Mary WALKER & migrated to Australia. Samuel is supposed to have used the older Samuel’s birth record to validate his age. There is a burial for Samuel Keep, infant, at Wootton 9.8.1803. Assuming this was the one born a week prior, why did they name a second child Samuel while the first was still living?
3) I have Richard Keep (son of Thomas) baptised at Bozeat, Northants. 26.12.1758
Am hoping this prompts some discussion 
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