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Stephen Doe
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Hi Barbara, this is a photo of Susan Doe nee jones, she married nelson Doe son of Goliath and Mary Ann Doe. nelson was born in 1886 and died 1937. Susan i believe is the daughter of Abraham Jones, but this needs proving!. Susan said she was born in 1893, i believe this is wrong! and that she was a coulpe of years older or she would of had her first children at the age of 14/15 years, abit youg i think!. Here is a little info i have on him from newspaper records i collected:
Nelson was described labourer living in a van dweller in Firacre Road at the twin baptism of John and Susan his twins.
Nelson appeared in the newspaper for assault, here is the account that was reported:
Surrey Advertiser.
22nd January 1910 and repeated in the Aldershot Gazette 29th January 1910.
Assaults by a Gipsy.
At the Petty Sessions at Camberley on Thursday, before Mr. H. J. B. Hollings, D.L. (in the chair), and Mr. A. C. Pain, C.A., Nelson Doe, gipsey, was fined 10s., including costs, for being drunk and disorderly at Ash Vale on January 11th.
Doe was charged with assaulting Edward Albert Bateman, of Station Road, Ash, on January 11th. Mr Norman Clinton prosecuted.- The evidence was to the effect that prisoner went into prosecutor’s shop and asked if he (Mr Bateman) had any old iron for sale. He replied he did not think so, and the prisoner became abusive. Prosecutor went out to his father, who was standing in the road and prisoner struck him with a violent blow to the mouth knocking him down. Prosecutor’s father and PC House got prisoner away. While prosecutor was on the ground, prisoner struck him again.- Prisoner said that Mr Bateman and his son struck him, and he did not see why he should not hit them back.- Fined 20s., including costs.
Doe was further charged with having assaulting Matthew Bateman at the same time and place.- Prosecutor stated when he saw Doe hitting his son he rushed across and said “you coward” and hit him. Doe then left his son, and came across to witness and struck him a severe blow in the mouth.- Previous convictions were proved, and a fine of 20s., including costs, was imposed.- MR. Clinton said it was an outrageous case and he thought the Bench should order defendant to pay costs.- The Bench allowed £1 1s. costs.- The total fine and costs in the last case- amounting to £3 10s.- were paid.
When nelson Doe died, the local news paper wrote a short article about the event:
Aldershot News and Farnbourgh Chroncile.
Friday May 28th 1937.
The death occured at his resdience, St Helen's Frimley Road, Ash Vale, on Sunday of Mr Nelson Doe, Deceased, aged 50, Had lived in Ash for most of his life. He married at Fleet in 1909, and leaves Widow, one son and two daughters to mourn their loss. The funeral took place at Ash Cemetry on Thursday afternoon, proceeded by a service in St Peters Church, Ash conducted be Rev. H. C. Aubin.
I hope it adds some life to people in your family, regards stephen doe
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shehen23
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I.m sorry I can't help regards 'Doe' in fact I'm trying to trace a benjamin Doe in my own family tree. However I also grew up in Owlsmoor Berks so I wonder if you know my family 'Hedges' who were a v. well known travelling family in the area. My Benjamin Doe married Emma Lee and had a daughter Darkus (Dorcus?) who went by the name of Lee and I would really appreciate any info, as I have hit a brick wall.
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Stephen Doe
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Hi Shehen23,
You seem to have many people mixed up i think!, you mention emma lee having a daughter darkis/dorcus with benjamin doe, i think i can see where you have gone wrong, when was your emma lee born, the emma lee i have who have dorcus/darkis was born around 1832 didcott, she was one of the many wifes of tommy lewis who used to be known as tommy boswell, emma lees parents are charles lee and ann? possibly a king? when was benjamin doe born? do you have him in the census. doracs 's sister sanforia married charles doe, you also mentioned hedges, i have a hedges in my line too, charles great grandmother was elizabeth hedges and i known from census some travelled with the doe family, happy to help put you on the right path,
stephen doe
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shehen23
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Hi, I'm fairly sure I have all my facts right as I got the info from my grandmother who is 83 and remembers most of these people being alive. Her maternal grandmother was Mathilda Lee (abt 1883-1952). Mathilda's mother was Darkus Lee (I think it might be a family pronunciation of Dorcus which is a common name amongst Romany women) who had her & brother Thomas illegitimately with a man called White before going on to marry & have a family with Harry Thompson. Dorcas/Darkus' mother was Emma Lee. The only person my grandmother never knew was Emma's husband Benjamin Doe (The family generally used the maternal surname Lee but occasionally used Doe).
I have found this census result from 1881 which I believe could be the same family as ages, locations and sibling names all tie up (apart from Tilchen of who nobody seems to have heard!)
Gipsy Tents Park Lane Western Green Stratfieldsaye Hants
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1256 Folio 66 Page 22
Emily LEE W 50 F Wokingham, Berkshire, Head Hawker
Dorcas LEE 19 F Yately, Hampshire, Daur Hawker
Tilchen LEE 16 M Farley Hill, Berkshire, Son Hawker
Agnes LEE 5 F Barkham, Berkshire, Daur
Tom LEE 1 M Barkham, Berkshire, Son
The following were stopping with them at the same place
Charles DOE 23 M Clive, Hampshire, Head Hawker
Dollie DOE 21 F Abingdon, Berkshire, Wife Hawker
Leonard DOE 1 M Mortimer, Berkshire, Son
John DOE 39 M Alton, Hampshire, Head Hawker
Mary DOE 32 F Wokingham, Berkshire, Wife Hawker
Frank DOE 11 M Waltham, Berkshire, Son Hawker
Job DOE 8 M Waltham, Berkshire, Son Hawker
Harry DOE 7 M Stratfield Saye, Hampshire, Son Hawker
Where Emma/Emily's husband might be I can't say, perhaps he just wanted to avoid the census for his own reasons! But I haven't yet been able to link Emma with Benjamin or he with what I assume to be his relatives above.
If you can offer any help at all on any of the above it would be greatly appreciated.
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Stephen Doe
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Hi Shehen23
Dorcas the daughter of Emma was said to of married a Job Doe first of all, he could be the brother of charles doe in the census you detailed. but this was never proved! she went on to marry william thompson in our records. Your harry!. Whislt Emma Lee went on to marry Arkles smith on the 24-8-1886 at yately hants. We have no mention in any books that mention Emma Lee as being with a benjamin doe. I have all the doe family from 1841 census onwards on my tree with over 2500 does, the name benjamin occurs 3 times from 1900 onwards only. the dollie doe in the census is the daughter of emma lee and tommy lewis/boswell. Dollie used the name sanforia/cinderella/sinfi and dolly. she married charles doe son of francis doe and margaret pateman in april 1879. Dolly named her father as Tommy lee on the certificate. i hope this clears the confusion on some bits, its a confusing family especaily as tommy lewis aka boswell had 4 wifes at one time and over 30 children between them, alot unaccounted for just like emmas tilchin! steve
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Stephen Doe
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one last bit, your grannys granmother dorcas was baptised lyford, berkshire, 14th april 1962 to Tommy Boswell and Emma lee, regards stephen
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shehen23
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This is all very strange. My gran was extremely close to her family and knew her grandparents & g.grandparents very well. I can't imagine why she would have been told her grandmother was illegitimate if it were not true! Also Boswell's are not a common name in the area. I would have thought if there were a Boswell in the family she would have known about it.
I would fully understand if 'Benjamin' was a pseudonym but I can't imagine why all these other things would be wrong. Surely my great-grandmother would have remembered if her Granny Emma (who she grew up with at Datchett/Horton in Berks/Bucks)had married a second time unless that man didn't last long for one reason or another? My G. Gran was born in 1902 and had no knowledge whatsoever of a second marriage for her Granny Emma.
Also can you explain why her age was given as 50 on the census as her youngest child was only one? Was this a mistake by the census taker or could this be Dorcus' illegitimate child Thomas Lee? Emma is described as a widow which may well be true but it would have had to have been a very recent bereavement if her son was only one.
I am very grateful for you taking the time to reply to me but I have to admit I'm more confused than ever!
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shehen23
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P.S Did you mean 1862 for that baptism for Dorcus otherwise she'd have been 100 years old, lol!
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Stephen Doe
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The emma lee on the census was the mother of the dorcas /darkus lee that we know of, she was baptised in 1862. many romany women had children in their 50's, no contraception, my greatgrandmother had her last child in her 50's, its not uncommon, and have many examples of this. Could you tell me your family line and what dates you have, that would help alot.
steve
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Stephen Doe
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Hi Barbara,
the more i see of the female Doe's going back the more they look alike to each other, they all seem to have this huge grin and checks, just like my great aunt Phyllis, thank you for posting the photo, she looks very well off with her thick winter fur coat, but then, when her mother died she was very well off too. Have you managed to see what mary ann draper her mother looked like yet, does she look similar?
best wishes stephen doe
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