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Topic: Tracing My Family Doe (Read 2872 times)
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goldendoe
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Hi
I was bought up in Owlsmoor near Sandhurst Surrey. My Late Dad was James Derek Doe. His mother was Violet May Rumbold. My Dads Dad was named James Henry Doe, he nearly survived the war but was killed by the Japs. At this point on my family name the story goes cold. But I am fairly sure his Father was a Charles Doe born C1888 and he married or was with a Lily Green C1887.
Charles had 1 brother, Cairns born C1895 and 4 sisters, lucy C1883, Mary C1890, laura 1892-1971 and Victoria C1901.
Their parents were James Doe C 1855 and Laura C 1863.
I am desperate to find out my 'DOE' line of ancestry. I have found out lots about the rest but not too much about my late Father & Grandfather's family line. I have heard that the Doe's were originally a Romany family? Coincidently I was bought up in Owlsmoor? I was once told about a woman called Granny Doe who took in men of the road?
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jim Doe
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heywood
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Welcome to rootschat, Jim.
You say you are 'fairly sure' re Charles and Lily but it would be best to check this with your grandfather's birth certificate then at least you know you are on the right track.
James, Laura and the children are in 1901 census at RG13; Piece: 1142; Folio: 96; Page: 7 - which I assume you have. They are here in 1891 RG12; Piece: 988; Folio 80; Page 7
Free BMD has this possible marriage: December quarter 1882 , Bradfield - James Doe and Laura Tigwell.
I think this is James in 1881 with mother, Sarah at RG11; Piece: 1298; Folio: 123; Page: 2 although the age is out a bit.
1871 RG10; Piece: 1276; Folio: 127; Page: 9
Common, Padworth
Joshua Doe 50 yrs ag lab b Ufton
Sarah 50 yrs b Hants Sherfield
James 16 yrs b Berks Padworth
Maria niece 4 yrs b Padworth
Lydia Nash daur married 26 yrs b Padworth
Charles grandson 2 yrs b Padworth
If this is the information you seek- I hope it helps. I can look for earlier censuses too if you need them.
There is a marriage on Free BMD March 1841 Bradfield Joshua Doe and Sarah Bennet.
best wishes
heywood
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goldendoe
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Wow, thankyou so much Heywood. I have my grandfathers birth certificate and this is where I got my first leed from. Where do you get the census details from? I.E. 'James, Laura and the children are in 1901 census at RG13; Piece: 1142; Folio: 96; Page: 7 - which I assume you have. They are here in 1891 RG12; Piece: 988; Folio 80; Page 7'.
I am a bit clueless with all this and your guidance would be most appreciated. Also what does 'Free BMD' mean? Sorry to seem so dim but I am new to this.
Many thanks again
Best regards
Jim
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CitizenSmith
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Hi Scottgirl
If she's the Ocean I think she is, her father was Golias or Gallius Doe and her mother Mary Ann Draper. Ocean is to found in records under both surnames. This may be her marrying Arthur/Alfred James, with her surname given as Draper:
DRAPER Ocean
m ALFRED JAMES
December Qtr 1915, Croydon RD
On the same index page on Ancestry, there's also a Phoebe James and a Charles H Scott marrying in the same quarter, same registration district. So it would be interesting to see if it's a double marriage.
And here is your Ocean's birth, this time under the surname Doe, from a birth certificate obtained by a Doe researcher Steve Doe:
DOE Ocean
Born 26 February 1867, Pudding Hill, Baughurst, Hampshire, daughter of GALLIUS DOE and MARY ANN HUMPHREY, Basket Maker; registered 4 March 1867 [Kingsclere Registration District]
Confusingly here, Mary Ann's surname is given as Humphrey here but she generally used the name Draper, her mother being Sibireni Draper and her father - reputedly - being a Joe Humphrey. (That info comes from the Draper notes in the Gypsy Collections at Liverpool University.)
If the marriage above is your Ocean, then it would suggest that she married Arthur/Alfred James at age 48, meaning that she had her children with him prior to tying a knot in church. I have come across similar instances in south country Gypsies who were persuaded to marry in old age by a well-meaning clergyman after they had spent a lifetime together.
Happy to give you the census references for Ocean and her parents if you don't have them.
I'd be interested to have Ocean's date of death and place of burial to add to my Draper database, if you'd be kind enough to share it.
Best wishes
Sharon
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Taylor - East Anglia
Draper
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All Blackpool Gypsies
"Royal Epping Forest Gypsies": ball-giving group
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