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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #30 on: Monday 27 July 09 09:31 UTC (UK) »

PS if you find a William anywhere I would be very grateful!!  Smiley            




Claire, do you have membership on ancestry?
ive just had a look, and there is someone by the name of Cheryl on there that has a "private member story" about a William Cruddace born 1815.
it might not be the same william, but i guess its worth asking.

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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #31 on: Monday 27 July 09 09:35 UTC (UK) »

Hello

I just had another look at the Bishops Transcripts and it definitely says Robert and Mary of Stainton on there. Where is your info from? It seems a huge coincidence that there are two on the same day in the same place. If yours are from the original records it could be that it was mistranscribed in the copy for the Bishop. There is only one cruddas baptism on that day on the transcripts.

Claire

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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #32 on: Monday 27 July 09 09:36 UTC (UK) »

Ooooh I do Tracy.... will have a look.... thanks for that....

Claire
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #33 on: Monday 27 July 09 09:37 UTC (UK) »

PS Try this link for the Bishops Transcripts page. Not sure whether it will work or not

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=280;p=imageBrowser
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #34 on: Monday 27 July 09 09:50 UTC (UK) »

Hello

I just had another look at the Bishops Transcripts and it definitely says Robert and Mary of Stainton on there. Where is your info from? It seems a huge coincidence that there are two on the same day in the same place. If yours are from the original records it could be that it was mistranscribed in the copy for the Bishop. There is only one cruddas baptism on that day on the transcripts.

Claire


Hiya,

I got my info from familysearch.org, i typed in his name, and thats the info it came back with.
I have just looked at the link you sent, and i i am going to look into that possible link now, i am trying to find the actual birth record for Robert and Elizabeth's son James, i have his marriage cert, but cant find any records of his birth.
He was "of full age" when he got married in 1840, so if anyone can spot anything on that, id be very grateful  Grin

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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #35 on: Monday 27 July 09 10:43 UTC (UK) »

The only James I can find is James son of Robert and Martha Crudice of Copley, Labourer baptised Feb 4th 1816 in Cockfield p139 of Bishops Transcripts http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=297;p=imageBrowser

I do have a marriage for a Robert and Martha in Barnard Castle
29 Dec 1804   Marriage   Robert Cruddas and Martha Harker   p323 Barnard Castle Transcripts

That wouldn't, however, fit in with your Robert born 1790 or Robert and Elizabeth.... but......

They did round the ages on the early censuses....... and Robert could have got remarried if Martha died.

Sorry I seem to be making your search more difficult rather than easier...... (but mother Martha does match up with having a daughter Martha......)

Sorry I seem to be making your search harder and not easier!

The marriage that Colin was talking about is here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=507;p=imageBrowser on p89
Unfortunately it doens't say whether he was a bachelor or a widow.

Sorry for not being more helpful, but it may have opened some avenues......

Claire


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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #36 on: Monday 27 July 09 10:49 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all that claire,

ive been doing some more digging, trying to find more on James, and i have come across a daughter born to Robert and Martha in 1821, same area, Cockfield, that James was from.
The info i have on James, is from his marriage cert.
Im starting to think maybe there was more than one marriage for Robert.

Il keep searching, and with any luck ill be able to order some cert's soon.

Any luck with your William yet?

Tracy
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #37 on: Monday 27 July 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »

I have also found a Martha Croudace d of Robert and Martha (Husbandman) baptised May 17th 1829 in Cockfield p 216. This definitely doesn't fit in with Elizabeth but is a bit of a coincidence.

Claire
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #38 on: Monday 27 July 09 10:51 UTC (UK) »

I realised I already got in touch with Cheryl before via Genes Renunited and she was having the same problems as me. Then ancestry crashed Angry. But I will try again.....

Claire
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #39 on: Monday 27 July 09 11:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Glad to see you are making progress. I'm tied up for a few days but will try and keep a running brief on how you are both getting on.

Tracy, I'm not sure if you are getting into the BT's or not. They are not searchable and have to be manually accessed. The records for Staindrop are also available on there. Perhaps Claire will advise if you need help?

I noticed that you mentioned a possible second marriage for Robert to Martha. How about checking for a burial for Elizabeth around 1800 at Barnard Castle?

Regards,
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #40 on: Monday 27 July 09 12:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin,

Well from what i have found, it would appear that if this is the same Robert, he married Martha first, then married Elizabeth later.
Ive been sifting through all the burial entries for barnard Castle, Staindrop and Cockfield, but cant find anything for cruddace, or Cruddass or even Cruddice lol.

if they aren't the same person, they may be cousins, or maybe related in some other way, ill have to search hard for this one i think.

What are the "BT's"Huh sorry blonde moment lol

Tracy
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #41 on: Monday 27 July 09 12:07 UTC (UK) »

BT's are the Bishops Transcripts - the pages where I found the baptisms etc......(that I think you are looking through now?)

Not a blonde moment....  Smiley

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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #42 on: Monday 27 July 09 12:21 UTC (UK) »

I searched on www.durhamrecordsonline.com and I found a marriage for a Robert Cruddas born Cockfield in the Teesdale district. I can't unfortunately find it on the transcripts to find the wife. It costs to get the details on durham records online, but it could be the Robert Elizabeth marriage you are looking for (of course it might not be.....)

I need to get on and sort stuff for going away now - I'm off for a couple of weeks but will keep an eye out.....

Claire

modified - the marriage is in 1833 which would fit in with the details we have so far
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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #43 on: Monday 27 July 09 12:31 UTC (UK) »

Thats brilliant Claire, ill go check it out now.
my head is spinning trying to piece all this together lol.

Have a good time on your hols, ill keep you both posted as to if i find out more.

thanks again for all your help  Grin Cheesy

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Re: Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas
« Reply #44 on: Monday 24 August 09 09:07 UTC (UK) »

Hello Colin, I am a 'newbie' to the site and have come across your mails re yr surname. My Great,Great Grandmother was Tamar Cruddas b 1810, Middleton in Teesdale, have you come across this name in yr research?
I have not been able to get beyond her marriage and family to her parents, she did have a son-in-law Thomas Cruddas who married Tamar's daughter Isabella in 1852 and he came from Patterdale, Westmorland so I had wondered if that was where some of Tamar's family originated.
Would I 1) get this info from Durham Records
             2)  is it easy to access
             3)  is it costly?
Hope you can help, thank you. Genie.
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