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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Genie,
Welcome to the gang, the more the merrier 
I've come across the name of Tamar but haven't researched or documented that line. In the dark and dusty regions of my memory I associate the name with Shady Cruddace who was most likely from the Streatlam / Barnard Castle line.
I'd like to help but I seem to have fallen at the first hurdle, which is Tamar's baptism. If she was baptised in 1810 in the Diocese of Durham then the entry should have father's name and where he was born, as well as the mother's details. I've checked the Bishops Transcripts for Middleton in Teesdale, on familysearch website, a couple of years either side but no luck.
One thing that's puzzling me, was Cruddas the birth name of Tamar or married name? It's the son-in-law with the name of Thomas Cruddas that doesn't quite make sense, and I couldn't find his marriage in 1852.
Regards,
Colin
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geniewhoami
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Thank you for your interesting reply and sorry that I didn't give enough info - Tamar b1812, d Oct 1886 in Rookhope, was married to James Wall b1811 in Eggleston, (I have drawn a blank with James' parentage too), I did intend to send for the marr cert if I could find the date of their wedding, until I was advised that it is only later certs that show father's details. (I am very green at all this!)
On the 1851 census Thomas Cruddas (spelling on census is Curdass) is described as son-in-law, Lead Smelter, but Isabella b 1834 was not on their census so she must not have been in residence that night. On same census 'Tamar' is also wrongly transcribed as being 'James'.
Hope this is clearer and may mean something to you. Thank you for your interest. genie
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Wall, Weardale. Foster, Weardale. Pearson, Bedale, Crook, America. Johnson, Crook. Gordon, Ireland, Coundon. Shaw, Stanley, Consett.
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Genie,
I've seen the 1851 and I now doubt that Thomas Cruddas married Tamar's daughter as he is Tamar's son! The relationship is in respect to the head, James Wall, and son-in-law could also mean step-son.
On the IGI his baptism is shown as 20th Feb 1831 at Patterdale, son of John and Tamar Cruddass
There's also the marriage of James Wall to Tamar Cruddas on 8th Feb 1834 at Middleton in Teesdale
Both are extracted from parish registers and not member submissions so should be reliable.
The way I see it, Tamar was a widow when she married James Wall, so to find her maiden name we would need details of her first marriage, or a birth certificate of one of her children born after July 1837 when civil registration started.
I'll have another look later,
Regards,
Colin
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Genie,
I've had another look at the BT's for Middleton in Teesdale and think this must be Tamer's baptism. (image 191)
Tamer Walton born Nov 28th 1808, bapt 2nd April 1809, daur of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, by his wife Mary Collinson both native of this parish of Middleton.
This was followed soon after by a burial - Tamer Walton wife of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, died 21 May 1809 buried 23rd May 1809 aged 43 years
However, it pays not to jump to conclusions because I then found another baptism - Mary Walton born 16th Dec 1810 bapt 13th Jan 1811, 2nd daur of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, by his wife Polly Collinson, both native of this parish
If these are your Tamer's family then you know her parents' names and where they were born, and that mum Mary was also known as Polly. And there's a good chance that the burial was of her grandmother so that's a further generation.
Regards
Colin
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geniewhoami
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Well I never! That is amazing and shows how easy it is to be led astray! Tamar and James Wall had a son James (my Great Great grandfather born 1843 and his son, also James, b 1876, had his last child, (Ann/Nancy nee Martindale appears to have died in childbirth, I am awaiting the death cert to confirm this) and the child was called Polly! Until now I have had no trace of any other Polly.
Well done! I am very impressed at your sleuthing powers, I have Ancestry and cannot get a sniff of the details you have provided. Thank you. Genie
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Wall, Weardale. Foster, Weardale. Pearson, Bedale, Crook, America. Johnson, Crook. Gordon, Ireland, Coundon. Shaw, Stanley, Consett.
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geniewhoami
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Forgot to write that Polly (Wall nee Forster) b 1879 was my Great -grandmother. G
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Colin Cruddace
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And it was all available for free!
It looks as though you will now be pursuing the Wall and Walton lines, rather than the Cruddas connection, but if you are interested Thomas and wife Isabella are in the 1861 transcribed as Cruddap (looks to me like the old style of a double s, ie Cruddafs) and he gives his birthplace as Eggleston. The marriage is probably the Weardale one in 1854 to a possible Isabella Elliott.
Good luck with your research,
Colin
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geniewhoami
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Colin, thanks to you, in no time at all I have got 6 generations with the Walton connection!! Wonderful!
It looks as though the Isabella is not Isabella Wall that married Thomas Cruddas then, I'll have to sort that out another day, all this time travel has me exhausted!
Thank you again, I am amazed by your wizardry through all these census, registers and lists, you're a star! genie
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Colin Cruddace
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Genie, thanks for the praise but you still don't know if Tamer Walton is the right one 
Here's the marriage at Middleton in Teesdale that just about clinches it (image 458 of the BTs)
John Cruddas of this parish, Bachelor, & Tamar Walton of this parish, Spinster, were married by Banns 26th Nov 1829
(very surprising!) Both signed their names, as did the witnesses Thomas Brown & Betty Raine
Must go now, I've got a halo to polish 
Regards,
Colin
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paul1966
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hi i am new here ,my grandad was cruddas and he was born in houghton le spring in county durham on the 29 june 1912 ,he nothers name was jane and i think he was named after his dad ,it seems the cruddas come from the family of dubson who had changed there name from darlin ,we hav a grace darlin who is very well know as saving some people at sea in the forfarshire wreck in 1838 ,she was born in baburgh in northumberland ,anyone know anymore
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Colin Cruddace
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Hello Paul, and welcome.
It would help to know your grandad's full name. If you have his birth certificate then the details of his parents and occupations would also help to locate them in census.
Regards,
Colin
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paul1966
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hi all i have his name is wilfred cruddas ,he was born in the black boy public house on 29 june 1912 in houghton le spring in county durham ,i dont have his fathers name but his mothe s name was jane so i hav been told and i also think his dad was called wilfred as well, he joined the army at the start of WW11 and left to to sickness and worked on the seach lights in london till the end of the war ,I think his dad married a dobson from houghton le spring as i can not find a cruddas before the 1890s ,so any help would be great thanks
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Paul,
Wilfred's birth in 1912 confirms mother's maiden name as Dobson. Looking on FreeBMD for a groom surname Cruddas and bride surname as Dobson within the previous 20 years gives William Cruddas and a possible Jane Dobson, married in the last quarter of 1899 In the Hartlepool district, vol 10a page 239.
On the 1901 census William and Jane are living at Heworth. He was a 21 year old coal miner (stonework) born Hetton. Jane was 23 born Ferryhill.
I'll see if I can get further back with William.
Colin
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Colin Cruddace
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FreeBMD birth registration, William CRUDDACK, Houghton 10a 494, 2nd quarter 1879.
1881 census, Hetton le Hole
William Cruddus Head Mar 42 Coal Miner born Cumberland
Martial Do , wife Mar 42 born Durham
Elizabeth dau 21 Durham
Mary A dau 14 Durham
William son 2 Durham
Checking 1861 to clarify wife's name of Martial, living at Kibblesworth
William Crodace head Mar 23 coal miner born Cumberland
Matilda Do wife 22 born Kibblesworth
Elizabeth daur 10m born Gateshead Low Fell
FreeBMD marriage, 2nd quarter 1859, Sunderland 10a 525
William Croudace and possibly Matilda Watts
I think this gives you quite a bit to be going on with, but if you want anything more then just ask.
Regards
Colin
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