LGee
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I've just received a certificate which gives my great great grandmother's place of birth in Kerry. Unfortunately the name of the town/village/parish is difficult to read but it is a 13 letter word that begins with 'Inch' and appears to end with 'lla'. I've looked on various Irish & Kerry genie sites and haven't found a place that matches, plenty of ones beginning with 'Inch' but none that end in 'lla'. The last few letters might even be 'scalla'.
Any suggestions out there most welcome.
LGee
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CaroleW
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Hi
Can you scan it BUT only that part containing the address should be posted on this board and perhaps somebody may recognise it
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leprechaun
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Hi no nothing with lla on the end. I don't suppose it could be Inchinascarty
If it is then the Parish is Dromod.
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LGee
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Thanks for the tip about the scanning - I'm new to the site and didn't know you could that.
Hope it helps...
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annclare
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Was this an Irish certificate? If so it should show the registration disctrict which may help to narrow the area for the placename.
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leprechaun
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As Ann Says was this an Irish cert:? The only old townland I have heard of is inchcauascalla the english version is skoolhill in Co,Limerick civil parish Fedamore.
But not much help when you are looking Co,Kerry.
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LGee
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Thankyou everyone for your replies.
I think the Inchcauascalla suggestion is correct. The certificate is an Australian birth certificate for my great grandmother and included details of her parents place of birth - her father was German, but her mother's name was Catherine Foley (and her mother was an O'Donnell).
The birth was registered by a neighbour 6 months after Margaret was born and perhaps got some of the information wrong. The same neighbour registered Margaret's elder sister's birth and just gave County Kerry as her mother's birthplace. I haven't been able to find a marriage certificate for the parents (which would presumably be more accurate because the bride would have known her birthplace). The family persisted with the Kerry connection, presumably because that was all they knew but the couple also had connections (familial or otherwise) to other Kerry families (Herlihy in particular) in the small goldmining town they lived in.
You probably didn't need to know all that, but you've all been a great help, thankyou.
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JAP
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Hi LGee,
Given that the family apparently believed that they came from Kerry, I wouldn't be discounting Inchinascarty yet.
Especially as the place on your scan begins "Inchanasca ..." which could easily be a rendering of "Inchinasca ...". It looks the same - and doesn't look like the beginning of the townland of "Inchcauascalla" in Limerick.
Of course, I don't know how they'd be pronounced in Ireland 
And the "e" at the end could easily be rendition of "y".
That would leave the "ll" to be explained. Does the Registrar cross his/her 't's - or could it be "lt" which could sound the same as "rt"?
It might be worth looking at the Griffiths Valuation to see which surnames occur in these two townlands (the Limerick one rendered as Skoolhill in the GV).
A quick look at the failteromhat site shows Foley, Herlihy and O'Donnell in the parish of Dromod but, of those names, only O'Donnell in Fedamore.
Regards,
JAP
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LGee
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Thanks for the tip, JAP. Will keep exploring those leads. At least I am further down the track than I was last time I looked at this family. It's good to know that there are plenty of helpful people out there in this forum.
LGee
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JAP
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Hi LGee,
Just another thought.
A Ggpa of mine was born in Co Mayo. I knew the name of his parents (from his marriage cert in Victoria, Australia) but not whereabout in Mayo he came from.
Then George's younger brother Thomas died in Vic in 1868 after a fall from a horse. Birthplace just given as Mayo on the dc. There was an inquest - but nothing more about his birthplace. A death notice - again nothing more. But then I found a funeral notice for Thomas - and it said that he was from Farmhill.
Of course, it turned out that there were two townlands called Farmhill in Co Mayo (one near Claremorris, and one near Ballina).
However, the inquest mentioned Thomas's sister and brother-in-law. I hadn't known that there was a sister. Anyway, I got her marriage cert and it said she was from Claremorris!
And then I found the marriage of their parents in 1832 Crossboyne RC church (nr Claremorris) with the groom recorded as 'of Farmhill').
So you might still get a precise pointer to the townland even if it does involve such a convoluted path as mine did!
Regards and good luck,
JAP
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leprechaun
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Looking at Irish Extraction Database.
Catherine Foley Spouse Patrick Breen Marriage 1846
In rathmore Kerry Birth Place of Cath: was Tooreencahill.
Also a Cath: Foley Married 1888 Co,Kerry Coracow.
Spouse Daniel McCarthy
Birth Place of Dan: was Kilfalney Kerry.
Cath: Birth was 1868.
Just the two Catherine Foley's on the Database.
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dancingqueen
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Hi. Though the name place in the certificate begins with ''Inch'' I am wondering should you be looking for the name, ANASCAUL which is a townland, Civil parish Ballynacourty, Dingle, Co Kerry. The spellings of townlands, places etc were spelled very different then but the name on the certificate sounds like Anascaul to me. Hope this helps.
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LGee
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Thanks for your suggestion, Dancing Queen. Given the connection my great-grandmother had to the Herlihy family (who were from Ballynacourty) , it's worth looking into.
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