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Completed - Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« on: Thursday 13 November 08 14:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

According to 1851 census Thomas Clark's (? Clarke) place of birth was Chesterton - his year of birth is abt 1818, can anyone help with a baptism please?

On the 1861 census his place of birth is shown as Hardwick but there is no baptism for a Thomas CLARK/E on the baptism index from Oxfordshire FH Parish register CD that I have (hope it's o.k to say that)

TIA Yvonne Hills - Pontardawe

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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 November 08 07:21 UTC (UK) »
Found Charlotte Clarke bapt at Yelford 2/9/1849. Will keep looking for Thomas
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 November 08 13:47 UTC (UK) »
Thanks very much for your help so far, it's much appreciated.
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 September 09 23:12 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

According to Chesterton Parish Register there was a Thomas baptised on 4 February 1816.  However, this Thomas is the illegitmate child of John BUTLER and Elizabeth CLARKE.  The letters sv' appear after her name, which I think means she is a servant.  Thomas's surname is put down equally as being either BUTLER or CLARKE.

Would you like me to do any more looking up for you?

Theresa
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 September 09 16:36 UTC (UK) »
Hi Theresa,

Thanks so much for the help with Thomas Clarke - I've long believed that the entry on the 1841 census is a bit dubious - I think he was staying with the family but not actually a son. Any other information you can find re. the Clarke family in Chesterton will be much appreciated.

Best Wishes Yvonne
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 September 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Yvonne,

There is a John Butler, who was baptised in 1777.  This would have made him 39 at the time of Thomas's birth if it is the right one.

In regards to the Elizabeth Clark/e's baptised in the area, there is one is 1805 (which is not likely, as she would have been 11 at Thomas's birth) and another in 1757, which would have made her 59 and seems equally unlikely.


In regards to marriages, a John Butler married X in 1863.  There are no marriage at all for an Elizabeth Clark/e.

Going to burials,

There was an Elizabeth Clarke buried in 1847 aged 82 (this would have meant she was baptised in 1764 and 52 at Thomas's birth, so not a likely candidate).

There is a John Butler buried in 1849 aged 71.   This one would have been born in 1778 and fits with the one mentioned above.

There is a second Elizabeth buried in 1852 aged 49.  She would have been born around 1803 and is possibly the Elizabeth who was baptised above in 1805 (people were not always sure of their own ages back then).

The final, and most likely, Elizabeth Clark/e was buried in 1885 aged 88.  This would have meant she was born in 1797 and therefore was 19 at the time of Thomas's birth.  Unfortuantely there is nothing to indicate if Clark/e was this Elizabeth's maiden or married name, but a check of the marriage register might indicate whether any Mr Clark/e's married Elizabeth whose age fits 1797 (unless it just reads that the person was full age, which is not a lot of help). 

Let me know what you think/would like me to do any thing further.

Theresa
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 September 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »
Just to complete the information, the John Butler who married in 1863 was 20 years old (so born in 1843) and too young to be the father of this Thomas.

Nearby parishes might offer other answers, but there have probably been more questions produced here than answered I guess.  Perhaps the illegitimacy meant the parents were not getting the baby baptised in their own parish?

Theresa
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 September 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Theresa,

Thanks again for taking the time to find more info. re Thomas Clark/e.  I'm not sure where to go now - I certainly think you've found his parents Elizabeth Clark/e and John Butler for which I'm extremely grateful.

As Thomas was living with a Clark/e family it may be worth checking their family to see if an Elizabeth pops up somewhere. I'll check the parish CD's I have re. the Clarke family.

Thanks again for your help.

Best Wishes Yvonne
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Re: Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »
Hi Theresa,

After searching Ducklington parish CD it appears Elizabeth Clarke was the sister of William Clarke, she was baptised 1791 and would have been abt. 25yrs when Thomas was born - which seems to fit.

I'm sure you found the right baptism for Thomas.

Thanks again Yvonne
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Re: Completed - Thomas CLARK/E abt 1818 Chesterton - Look up please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »
ok - glad to be of service.
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