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gw1979
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Wolstanton records
« on: Thursday 13 November 08 22:38 UTC (UK) »

Can anyone help with the parents of Elsie May Ford born 1893 Wolstanton. Also Ida Mary Scott born about 1905 also I believe Wolstanton, they were related, cousins I think.

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Roberts Hawarden, Whitby
Iball Bistre, Hawarden
Ford Staffordshire
Scott Staffordshire
Wilkinson Cheshire
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 November 08 23:53 UTC (UK) »

Where did your Elsie May Ford marry?

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies.
All North Wales.
Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes.
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis-Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 November 08 09:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi William,

Elsie May Ford married Edward Roberts of Hawarden Flintshire in Wolstanton Staffs around 1917 - 1919. Ida Mary Scott was second wife to Edward however they married in Hawarden I think in the 1930's. Elsie and Ida are related 1st or 2nd cousins I think.

Thanks
Gaynor
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:00 UTC (UK) »

I did a bit of searching for Marriages if Scott/Ford etc on Staffordshire BMD and Ancestry last night but I didn't find any.Elsie M Ford married Edward Roberts at Chesterton Holy Trinity in 1919 according to Staffordshire BMD.According to North Wales BMD Ida married Edward Roberts in 1931 in what is described as a Hawarden Civil Marriage.

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William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies.
All North Wales.
Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes.
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis-Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:03 UTC (UK) »

William,

thanks very much for your kind help. Presumably the next step is obtaining copies of their marriage certificates.

Regards,
Gaynor
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:16 UTC (UK) »

Free BMD shows the GRO reference for the Ford/Roberts Marriage as Volume 6b,Page 222.The Marriage took place in the Wolstanton District in the April Quarter of 1919.I found this Marriage on Free BMD on Ancestry but because of ongoing problems on the Ancestry Site in accessing the GRO indexes I am unable to come up with the Scott/Roberts reference.

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William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies.
All North Wales.
Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes.
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis-Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:21 UTC (UK) »

Hello Gaynor
Welcome to Rootschat  Grin

There is this possible marriage:

Jun Quarter 1919
Wolstanton Vol 6b Page 222

Roberts Edward = Elsie M Ford

The certificate will give you their ages, Robert's occupation, fathers' names and occupations, and their addresses at the time of marriage.

Two possible births in Staffordshire:

June Quarter 1893
FORD Elsie May, Lichfield Vol 6b Page 513
FORD Elsie May, Wolstanton Vol 6b Page 101

1901 Census

RG13 Piece 3513 Folio 136 Page 43
29 Joseph Street, Widnes, Lancashire
William H FORD Head 36 Machine Maker & ?Feller b Warwickshire Longford Coventry
Clara FORD Wife 39 b Derbyshire Whittington
Elsie M FORD Dau 8 b Staffs, Kings Hill ?Wedenbury
Charles I FORD Son 6 b Worcester Stourbridge

or

RG13 Piece 2654 Folio 195 Page 29
51 James Place, Ogley Hay, Brownhills, Lichfield, Staffs
Moses FORD Head 40 Coal Miner Loader b Staffs Bilston
Sarah FORD Wife 46 b Staffs Bilston
Moses FORD Son 12 b Staffs Brownhills
Elsie FORD Dau 8 b Staffs Brownhills
Samuel FORD Son 6 b Staffs Brownhills

RG13 Piece 2651 Folio 9 Page 9
Dent Street, Fazeley, Tamworth, Staffs
George FORD Head 48 Engineer's Pattern Maker b Staffs Chesterton
Mary FORD Wife 44 b Staffs Chesterton
Ethel FORD Dau 18 b Staffs Chesterton
George FORD Son 14 Engineer's Pattern Maker b Staffs Chesterton
Elsie FORD Dau 7 b Staffs Chesterton

The marriage certificate will hopefully show you which family to follow up and which birth certificate to go for!

Kind regards
Gaie
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Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:48 UTC (UK) »

Given that Chesterton would be in the Wolstanton District Gaie,I would favour the last entry you gave.However it could be mere speculation until Gaynor has the Marriage Certificate for Elsie May.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies.
All North Wales.
Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes.
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis-Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 November 08 10:54 UTC (UK) »

Yep, I'd go along with that, William!  The marriage certificate is your starting point, Gaynor.

You can order them here, just in case you haven't done it before:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Click "Yes" when you're asked if you have the references, and put in the quarter, year, reg district, Vol and Page numbers.  They cost £7 if you have the references.

Do let us know how you get on.

Kind regards
Gaie
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Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 November 08 11:08 UTC (UK) »

Willaim and Gaie

Thanks for your help both of you.

Elsie May seems to be a popular name of the time in Staffordshire.

I will send for the marriage cert and let you know the outcome.

Regards,
Gaynor
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 March 09 17:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello, Am new to this chat so sorry if I am in the wrong place!
I am tracing the Mayers/Meres of Wolstanton and Norton Le Moors.

Elijah Mayer 1717-1790 the potter who was my grandfather x5 and the Mayers of Newcastle, High Carr,particularly Joseph Mayer ,1803-1886 whose father was Samuel ,and Margaret Pepper.

Any help much appreciated. I am sure these families are related as Joseph's brothers took over Dale Hall Pottery when Elijah died but I just cannot work out the connection.
I need a Sherlock Holmes!!
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Re: Wolstanton records/Mayer
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 April 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »

I have registered especially to send you a reply.  My husband is a descendant through his mother's line to Elijah and Rebecca (nee Jebb) Mayer.  We have a family tree so is there specific information you need?
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 April 09 14:50 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so very much for doing this for me.
How shall we compare what we have got ?

Rebecca Mayer  31-8-1740-1795  is my great grandma x4. She married Edward Boon 27-10-1760.-18-1-1779

I only have ancesters recorded. For Elijah I only have his mother, Hannah Edwards 25-5-1686-,father John Mare.1-8-1687 High Carr Wolstanton

Then John's father John Mare died 21-2-1729. His wife Rebecca Smith d. 9-9-1690

I would love to fill in the missing gaps and make this connection to Joseph Mayer of Liverpool the details of which I gave. His brothers took over Dale Hall. I know Elijah had a son called Joseph also and there was a lot of legal dealings to do with his will.

Could we compare? In the book "Joseph Mayer of Liverpool." mention is made of a connection but the author is not sure whether they shared Elijah as some great grandad or uncle.
So exciting to have found someone else. Thank you for taking the trouble and hope to hear from you soon.
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 April 09 20:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi - We haven't had time to check this but the line back to Elijah Mayer that we were given is this:

Elijah m Elizabeth Jebb and had 7 children - Elijah, Rebecca, John, Joseph, Joshua, William and Elizabeth.
Rebecca m Edward Boon and had 4 children - Edward, George, Elijah and Ralph
Edward m Sarah Wood and had Elizabeth b 1799
Elizabeth m Thomas Leek and had 5 children - Elizabeth, Ann, Charles, Robert and Esther.
Esther m Samuel Blood and had 5 children - Joseph, Thomas, John, James and Esther.
Esther m Richard Mayer and had 6 children - Jane, Esther J, Lilian, Richard, Doris and Hugh.
Richard, my husband's grandfather, m Hilda and they had 7 children.

I cannot see a Joseph Mayer on the tree that would match with Liverpool but I will keep checking.
Regards
Maggie

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 April 09 20:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Maggie, This is great.

Joseph's father was called Samuel, 1767-1835 His father was John Mear 1778.

My grandma was Eliza Mayer Boone 1888-1937. She held papers relating to Joseph Mayer of Liverpool and newspaper cuttings to do with his friendship with the Duke of Sutherland and Trentham Gardens so I am sure there is a connection. Do the dates help?

Do you have the tree for viewing?
Have you software that will import Gedcom we can send ours.
I have a family tree made by Jane mayer, Joseph's sister which I photocopied when I visted Pennant Hall, Joseph's house on the Wirral.
Thank you for your help, so close I feel to a breakthrough!

We must be related!
Kind Regards,
Patricia


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