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James R. Yeowell
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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 November 08 02:21 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again, Cazay, it's much appreciated.

By the way, I note you're interested in the Livermores of Essex.  I am interested in this family too, being a direct descendant of Robert Livermore, of Ashdon, Essex and Susan Reve.  My link is via Richard Squire, who married Elizabeth Livermore on 17 May 1749 in Elmdon.

If you want further details, or have anything to add, feel free to message me privately.  The Livermores have always been an interesting family.

Regards,

James.
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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #16 on: Monday 17 November 08 02:23 UTC (UK) »

James, my Livermores come from Radwinter, mostly Ag Labs.  GGgrandfather emigrated to Aus in 1850.
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 17 November 08 02:40 UTC (UK) »

Cazay,

There probably is a link somewhere along the line, as I believe most Livermores are descendants of the Livermores of Lavenham, Suffolk or Wethersfield, Essex.

My Livermores are of Little Chesterford.  I've just checked quickly and the Radwinter Livermores seem to start with a James Livermore marrying a Rebecca Patrick, is this as far back as you've been able to go?

Anyhow, let's try and get back on topic of the Hawkins.

I was reading something earlier online that said that the majority of Hawkins believe they're descended from Admiral Richard Hawkins.  Now I have no idea how true this statement is.

Not only do I not know where my own Mary Ann Hawkins fits, it also seems to be the case that nobody knows where Richard Hawkins of Henley, Medmenham and Great Marlow fits either.

Regards,

James.
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« Reply #18 on: Monday 17 November 08 02:49 UTC (UK) »

James........Yes that is as far back as I have gone and have not come across anyone else that has managed to go beyond James and Rebecca.  Maybe the records do not exist to be successful with that but only time will tell.

I do wish you luck with Mary Ann Hawkins, admittedly I have not read through your whole thread so am not familiar with your connections to her.

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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #19 on: Monday 17 November 08 02:54 UTC (UK) »

Mary Ann Hawkins is my 2nd Great Grandmother, so quite an important person in my tree.

So you don't believe your James Livermore is the son of James Livermore of Felstead?
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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #20 on: Monday 17 November 08 03:02 UTC (UK) »

Back to the Hawkins.

I have now been in contact with my 2nd cousin and he says Richard Hawkins is noted as a Farmer on the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Hawkins to John Charles Yeowell.

So this probably rules out the Richard Hawkins who was a butcher and moved to Henley-on-Thames.

Now my interests lie with the Richard Hawkins who was married to Sarah and had two children in Great Marlow in the 1820s.  He was a Labourer, which could mean Agricultural Labourer and thus Farmer.
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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #21 on: Monday 17 November 08 03:13 UTC (UK) »

I so do hope you find her being such an important part of your family tree.

I have to sign out now but will have another look around for you later and no doubt Gazania will try again also.

Will pm you about the Livermores later.

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« Reply #22 on: Monday 17 November 08 05:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi James,

The site is working a bit better.  We also had a massive thunderstorm last night & the power is still disrupted.  Anyway here is the family of the Sarah you requested from my first post:

Sarah  45 lacemaker Y
William 20 aglab        Y
Charles 20 paper m?  Y
Mary  15      --           ?Y  (very faded)
Emma 15                  Y
Olive    13                  Y
Sarah   10                  Y

I'll keep searching.  I'll try the migrants to OZ, Bye Gazania
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Re: 1841 census lookup request
« Reply #23 on: Monday 17 November 08 10:47 UTC (UK) »

Regarding the above 1841 census that Gazania has listed for you, I have followed them through a couple of later census and Sarah 1796 born Amersham Bucks is still there in the 1861 census in Wooburn, reg area is Wycombe.

1851 census gives Sarah and daughters Emma, Olive and Elizabeth still at home.  A couple of the children are there still in Wooburn after they marry in later years.  All of the children give Wooburn as their place of birth and it is situated about two and a half miles from Little Marlow according to Genuki.

Just thought this could help you either eliminate them or keep wondering.

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 23:44 UTC (UK) »

Carole,

Is there a later census entry for Charles Hawkins in Wooburn?

It's just that there was a Charles Hawkins christened in Great Marlow in  1824... however, this individual died in 1849 aged 27 and was buried in Great Marlow.  He was son of a Richard Hawkins and Sarah.

If he is absent after 1851, then there still is a chance this could be the correct family.  If there is a Charles Hawkins in Wooburn in the 1851 census, then I can possibly rule this family out.  Or at least rule them out as possibly being linked to Great Marlow.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell.
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 05:29 UTC (UK) »

Is there a later census entry for Charles Hawkins in Wooburn?

A Charles Hawkins is in the 1851 census, Wooburn,  b 1819, wife Susannah, children Emily and William J.

In 1861 census Susannah is a widow, still in Wooburn with son William James.

Would not match with Charles, son of Richard and Sarah though as this Charles died in 1849.  Just mentioning that this Charles is the only one that shows up born Buckinghamshire with birth year 1819 + 5 yrs (1841)

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 10:01 UTC (UK) »

Carole, et al.,

It therefore seems that this Wooburn family is not linked to the one in Great Marlow.  This is very frustrating indeed!

I am hoping something comes from all this searching soon though... she has to be out there somewhere!

Thanks for the help everybody, it has been much appreciated.  I am hoping on a few more searches yet though!

Regards,

James R. Yeowell.
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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »

Greetings all,

I have not got much further with my Hawkins but I now have assembled a tentative tree highlighting how they could all fit into my own.  I have opened a few other queries too.

I have it thus, so far:

Richard Hawkins (buried 19 January 1802, Little Marlow, as a pauper) married Hannah and had issue:

1. Richard Hawkins, of Fearn, Little Marlow, chr. 25 January 1784, Little Marlow, died June Qtr. 1850, Wycombe Registration District (he married and had issue, see below)
2. Susannah Hawkins, chr. 2 January 1791, Little Marlow.  She did not marry and worked as a lace maker in Great Marlow (Church Lane).  She can be found in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses in Great Marlow.  She died December Qtr. 1868, Wycombe R.D. (aged 76)

Interestingly, Susan Hawkins is living with head of house, Mary White, aged 70 (a Lace Maker) in the 1841 census.  In 1861 she is living with Charlotte White, aged 16 and also a Lace Maker.  Charlotte was born in Marlow (presumed to mean Great Marlow).  Thomas Hawkins (her nephew) is living with what appears to be someone with the surname of White (I cannot read the first name) who is aged 10 and female, in the 1841 census of Little Marlow.  The surname may not be White, however.  It maybe worth investigating though if she is indeed surnamed White.  Especially as she's only 10 and Thomas Hawkins is 35 (and I presume, unmarried).

1. Richard Hawkins married firstly Elizabeth (possibly buried 16 August 1805, Little Marlow) and had issue, a son:

1. Thomas Hawkins, of Fearn, Little Marlow, chr. 25 November 1804, Little Marlow.  He can be found in the 1841 census at Fearn, Little Marlow.  Nothing else known.

The above Richard Hawkins may have had an illegitimate daughter by Elizabeth Walker, named Charlotte Walker (chr. 6 January 1805, Little Marlow)

He married secondly Sarah Moore on 29 October 1812 in Great Marlow.  He is of Fearn.  A witness to the marriage was an Obadiah Hawkins.  I have yet to determine who he is.  They had issue:

1. Hannah Hawkins, chr. 15 September 1816, Great Marlow
2. William Hawkins, born 27 August 1819, Little Marlow, chr. 26 September 1819, Little Marlow
3. Charles Hawkins, of Little Marlow, chr. 29 January 1824, Great Marlow and buried 26 August 1849, Great Marlow.  He is working as an Ag Lab on the 1841 census aged 15
4. Mary Ann Hawkins, born about 1831, Little Marlow, died 25 January 1878, Walworth, St. Saviour, Surrey.  She married John Charles Yeowell on 21 January 1855 at St. Giles Cripplegate, London

I have still yet to locate Mary Ann Hawkins as a child in any census.  Richard Hawkins should also still be alive in 1841, so where was he?  He could still be living in Fearn (Fern Lane) in Little Marlow or he maybe elsewhere.  The 1841 census for Little Marlow is hard to read, so he may have been mistranscribed.

I am still no closer to determining whether Mary Ann Hawkins is the daughter of this couple.  I know she was the daughter of a Richard Hawkins, a farmer and was probably born in Little Marlow (or maybe Great Marlow) in circa 1831.

My hunch though is that she is the daughter of Richard Hawkins and Sarah Moore.  I am hoping she turns up on the 1841 census with her father.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

Regards,

James R. Yeowell.
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