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noidea
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I would like to request the birth certificates of my grandmother and grandfather who were born in Germany. But I'm having trouble finding the address of who I should contact to request these.
My Grandfather was born in Bogel in 1904 and my Grandmother in Dortmund in 1916. Can anyone help me out as to the best way to request these certificates?
Thanks for your help!
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Sue15
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Hello Noidea
In Germany bírth certificates are purchased from the Standesamt. Before around 1880 or a date thereabouts you would need to contact the Church Authorities. However you can get plenty of advice about that on Rootschat
I have found the address of the Standesment in Dortmund
Standesamt Dortmund Südwall 2-4 44122 Dortmund
Email standesamt {--at--} dortmund.de
Bogel is a very small town -population 830 according to wikipedia. I do not think they would have a Standesamt. As Bogel is within the administrative area of Nastätten it maybe an idea to write to this area. They have a Standesamt but i cannot find the address
However the Town Administrators has an email address of nastaetten {--at--} t-online.de and I am sure they will be able to provide the correct address for you.
Good Luck
Sue
Moderator Comment: e-mail edited, to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please replace {--at--} with @
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JustinL
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Hello Noidea,
Just a footnote to Sue's reply.
Under German law, only the direct descendents of an individual are entitled to receive certificates from the Standesamt.
You will probably be expected to send in other birth and marriage certificates to prove that you are the granddaughter.
Justin
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Sue15
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JustinL has made a very valid point. I have managed to obtain birth certificates in Germany for around this time with a copy of the Family Tree enclosed but it may vary from office to office.
If it does become a sticking point you may get similar information from the Church records. The problem here is working out which religion they were -usually Lutherian or Catholic. Some records are in collective centres, some with individuals churches. In my experience it works out as a process of elimination but its worth it as the information provided is often quite extensive. I have also found these authorites very helpful.
I noticed when looking for the address of the Standesamt in Dortmund an online facility to order certificates appeared on my google search.
It looks as if it must belong to a Professional Genealogist I am not sure. The charge quoted is not cheap but helpfully provides an English version just click EN and seems to cover all of Germany.
https://standesamtauskunft.de
I would be interested to know if anyone has an experience of this facility.
Best wishes
Sue
Ps Berlin Bob- re @ on emails - point noted- Tut mir leid
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noidea
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Justin and Sue,
Thank you so much for your help. I will give those email addresses a try. What are the chances of them speaking English do you think? I will give it a try and then send a translation in German if I have to.
My family were Jewish, so I suspect some may be harder to trace after WWII. But I'm certainly going to give it a go!
Thanks again
Kind Regards
Rachael
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Sue15
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Hello noidea
My advice is to write in both German and English if possible. Having lived in Germany only a short while - my written German is not too good otherwise I would offer a translation.
If asking for a Birth Certificate this translates as Geburtsurkunde.
You can use translation tools such as Google or Babbelfish but these often have mistakes. At a pinch they will do.
I find this website helpful
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/guide/LGGerman.ASP?Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Sisgid=undefined&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Loc=undefined
and there is sufficient information there to compose an email
Last but not least I am sure there are some Rootschatters who have a better standard of written German than myself and who would be able to provide some draft letters and emails.
Good Luck
Sue
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Mannering(s), Chatham Hinckley
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Whitlock, Wilts, Glos and Cardiff
Howell, Cardiff
Hoddinott, Sturminster Newton, - Weston S Mare
Thymian Eiling, Rahmer, Heitmuller -Hanover and Braunchsweig Germany
Wellings- Shropshire
Weaver . Cinderford and Walford Herefordshire also Ross, Australia & Pontypridd
Thomas - Williamstown, Tonypandy
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JustinL
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Rachael,
My patrilineal ancestry is German-Jewish too! I have successfully researched my Levy family back to the 17th century.
I am more than happy to offer all the assistance I can. I lived in Germany for many years, so I speak the language.
Let us know the names of your grandparents (and any others), and I'll see what I can dig up.
Justin
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noidea
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Sue thanks again for your advice. What an amazing place this is here, with so many helpful people!
Justin, I am tracing back my Father's adopted parents family. Though he was adopted, I am still very interested in the fate of his family. I have very little information as his adopted Mother passed away 31 years ago and his adopted father many years before that. But I will share what I have. They arrived in Australia on 4th January 1938 and adopted my Dad in 1948.
Grandmother:
Margot Schiff born approx 1916 in Dortmund. Father's name as listed on her death certificate - Arthur Schiff. She died in Sydney Australia in 1977.
Grandfather:
Otto Friedberg born 27 Sep 1904 in Bogel. Died 1964 in Sydney Australia.
His Father is Albert Friedberg born in 1876 in an unknown city in Germany. He died in Sydney Australia in 1956. Albert's death certificate showed 2 other children both deceased Meda Friedberg and another name I can't recall as I don't have the certifiate with me at the moment.
His Mother was Eva Hirsch born in 1872.
Otto's parents came out to Australia on 11 July 1939. I can find no record of Eva's death.
Thank you so much for your offer of help. I am totally overwhelmed by the help I have recieved here in such a short period of time!
Kind Regards
Rachael
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JustinL
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Hello Rachael,
I've dug up a few things already.
A search for Friedberg on the National Archives of Australia and returned 17 references - as I'm sure you know. However, one of the digital images does give the birth places of Otto's parents!
Albert Friedberg, born 12 Apr 1876 in Ruppertzhofen near Cologne. That should read Ruppertshofen and is the closest village to Bogel. Both arte in the modern Rhein-Lahn district (Kreis)
Eva Hirsch was born in Mandel, which is further south near Bad Kreuznach.
The Jewish community of Ruppertshofen was established several hundred years ago but remained tiny (about 4 families). A Salomon Friedberg was still recorded there in 1926. The Landeshauptarchiv in Koblenz probably has more records.
Do you read any German? There is quite a lot to read on the web.
The dead from both Ruppertshofen and Bogel were buried in the cemetery at Bornich, which lies a few kilometres to the south. About 80 gravestones still exist - a Friedberg is amongst them.
Albert and Eva moved to Koeln (Cologne). Their daughter Meda appears to have married there. A database on jewishgen records:
Meta Simon (nee Friedberg) born 21 Jul 1906 Bogel, lived in Koeln, deported to Stutthof concentration camp, then Riga, i.e. she perished in the Holocaust.
Nothing on Schiff from Dortmund yet.
Maybe you should send me a personal message with your email address.
All the best,
Justin
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