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Topic: St Breock Births/Baptisms (Read 361 times)
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krisesjoint
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Nate at 9 weeks
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Hi Steve,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat and the Cornwall Board 
John Samuel HILL was baptised 1 July 1832 St Breock parents John Samuel HILL and Margaretta
John Samuel HILL = Margaret GILL 7 Aug 1824 Egloshayle
Large family in 1841
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
Cheers Kris 
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steveh37
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Thanks Kris
John Samuel Hill was my Gt Gt Gt grandfather and he and his wife Harriet Goodman had 6 children, James Ivey Hill 27 7 1856 St Breock, was married to a Ellen Jane Williams (Probus abt 1854 died Plymouth 1908 aged 54) according to my grandfather William Martyn Greaves Hill Birth Certifiacte. He was born 4 February 1888. James either married in Cornwall and moved to Plymouth, Devon or married in Plymouth either way cant find an entry for their marriage in either counties can you help with this one please
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Hill and Rambridge: Devon and Cornwall
Fergusson and Bailey: Staffs, Yorks, Norfolk
Hecek: Devon, Essex, Kent, France, Poland
Wilkinson: Kent, Cheshire
Dolling: Kent, Devon
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althea
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I was looking at 1891 census but sadly lost the page, it looked like your family In Plymouth, which is right from what you said
A son GEORGE b abt 1873 Wadebridge, James was also down as Wadebridge
Then rest of children born Devon
Maybe someone can recheck...so marriage maybe early abt 1872
BYe
Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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osprey
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or it maybe rather later?
James Hill dec qtr 1889 Portsea vol 2b pg 922 with Ellen Williams on the same page
I've found the other pair on the same page as a couple in 1891
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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steveh37
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I Have copies of both the 1881, 1891 & 1901 Census returns for James Hill when he was living in Plymouth, though it does not show a George Hill on the 1881 census he could have been staying at his grandparents on the night of the census, he is present with he rest of the family on the 1891 Census.
James is shown as a Merchant Seaman on the 1881 census so it is possible that he was still a seaman and got married some 10 years later in Portsea Hampshire, the question is why would they travell all that way just to get married. I Suppose they could have moved from Plymouth to Portsea and then moved back again between 1888 and 1890. They lived at the same address on both 1891 and 1901 census.
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Hill and Rambridge: Devon and Cornwall
Fergusson and Bailey: Staffs, Yorks, Norfolk
Hecek: Devon, Essex, Kent, France, Poland
Wilkinson: Kent, Cheshire
Dolling: Kent, Devon
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osprey
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If that is their marriage, they possibly married elsewhere as they had been living as a married couple for some time. Easy enough to get to by sea.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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krisesjoint
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Hi Steve,
Young George appears to be with his Uncle in 1881 under the name of Williams so it appears they were not married when he was born. I haven't found a likely marriage so far. Always a chance there was no marriage of course. 
RG11/2295 Folio 79 Page 11
Burlawn
St Breock
WILLIAMS George Nephew 7 b St Breock
Home of George WILLIAMS 29 b Probus Gen Lab and Family
George William WILLIAMS b Jun 1/4 1875 St Col 5c 102
I suspect he was not James's son. James Ivey Hill's first son was probably James Ivey HILL Mar 1/4 1879 Plymouth 5b 309
I note George and Ellen WILLIAMS can be found in Probus in 1861 with their parents Luke and Jane. Luke is an ag lab
George WILLIAMS 12 and Ellen 8
RG11/2295 Folio 29 Page 12
Church Town
Probus
Working back Luke and Jane are already married by 1841
possible only just as I see a possible marriage in the right district
Luke WILLIAMS = Jane RICHARDS June 1/4 1841 Truro 9 351
Cheers Kris
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steveh37
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Hi Kriss
Thanks for your reply, you have been an immense help, I had my great grandmother down as Ellen Jane Williams Probus 1854 and her father John Williams coming from Falmouth (1832) and her mother Eliza James (1832)from Calstock. When I checked my grandad's birth certificate his mother was down as Ellen Williams so I never checked out the possibility of another Ellen Williams born Probus for the same year. So it seems that I have been on the wrong tack all this time. Since I received your reply I have checked back on the census records and have found Luke Williams on 1861 Census where you stated and found his date of birth 27 9 1812 (Gerrans) on LDS also his father and mother, same source along with 2 brothers born at Gerrans. So thank you for your monumental help.
As to George I had came to the same opinion that he was either not James son or he had been born before they married and been given his mothers family name.  As to James and Ellen as he is listed as a Merchant Seaman it is possible they could have married at sea or at least by a sea Captain, but where do you start looking for that ?  Marriage certificate would have resolved these problems . The search goes on. Can't thank you enough for all your help 
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Hill and Rambridge: Devon and Cornwall
Fergusson and Bailey: Staffs, Yorks, Norfolk
Hecek: Devon, Essex, Kent, France, Poland
Wilkinson: Kent, Cheshire
Dolling: Kent, Devon
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osprey
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marriages at sea 1854 - 1883 are on Findmypast
http://www.findmypast.com/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp
but the only Hill is a William.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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steveh37
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Thanks Osprey, just have to keep searching
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Hill and Rambridge: Devon and Cornwall
Fergusson and Bailey: Staffs, Yorks, Norfolk
Hecek: Devon, Essex, Kent, France, Poland
Wilkinson: Kent, Cheshire
Dolling: Kent, Devon
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