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winston
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HI
thanks for that Trish I hadn't seen that posting either since it's not linked to either of the other threads
Confused and Complicated.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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suzard
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getting even more confused -and am confusing others too!!!!!
Eliza lee who I found in 1851 census -although i posted 1861- now edited(sorry about that)
transcribed as Rowles!!!!
well......
it seems like she married Thomas Johnson!!!
FreeBMD
marriage
Eliza lee
Thomas Johnson
Dec qtr 1869
7a 735
they appear together on 1871 census with no children!!!
just another coincidence -the Johnson name!!!!!!
think I'll go and lie down in a darkened room!!!
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Viktoria
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Thank you everyone so much, I have now got lots to try. I find it a strange coincidence that living in the house where Ester was living in 1891 , at the next census was an Eliza Addy also a dressmaker but she was born in Manchester. My father could remember his grandmother- whom I thought would be Ester- taking him to a posh shop in Manchester called Affleck and Browns where she collected work which she "fine finished" ie decorated with beadwork and frogging, lace etc. when done she would return it and collect the next lot. He was born in 1897 and so whoever it was who took him must have lived until about 1903 at least I think. But many thanks to everyone who kindly took the time and trouble to search for me .Viktoria
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trish251
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Hi Viktoria
I have a little more information - hope it helps rather than confuses
Looking at 1891 and 1901, as you mention, the same address, it seems very likely that Esther Johnson = Eliza Addy. Perhaps she didn't want her husband to find her??? By 1901 she seems to have thought he may be dead (listed as a widow)
1891 RG12/3243 15/24 Lancashire Manchester St George
5 Reather Street
Ester Johnson head M 42 dressmaker Lincolnshire Pinchbeck Fen
Martha Hart SIL M 24 Yorkshire Balne
Henry Addy son S 20 Carm Carriers labourer Nottinghamshire Norwell
James Shorwood lodger S 20 lithographic artist Lancashire Liverpool
1901 RG13/3750 150/11 Lancashire Manchester St George
5 Reather Street
Eliza Addy head Wid 49 dressmaker Lancashire Manchester
Alice Hyde boarder S 22 dressmakers asst do do
W F Brierley boarder M 26 Railway ?? Bacup Manchester
Jos Donnolley boarder S 28 Railway Police Constable Cheland
There is a death in 1905 - age fits with 1901 age - a little different perhaps to Eliza's real age
Sep Qtr 1905 Eliza ADDY 54 Prestwich 8d 307
Another possible marriage in the correct part of the country
Marriage Jun 1866 James WRIGHT Spalding 7a 599 (Spalding covers Pinchbeck)
On the same page Eliza COLE
1861 Lincolnshire Wyberton
Middle Fen
Lane Palmer head married 24 ground keeper Greatford Linc
Sarah Ann Palmer wife mar 24 household work Pinchbeck Lincoln
Ann Palmer dau 3 Greatford Linc
Eliza Cole lodger U 17 Pinchbeck lincoln
From the IGI
Eliza COLE, bap 18 Jul 1844, Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire. Father Thos. and
mother REBECCA (name of Eliza Wright's daughter)
Siblings on the IGI
(all baptisms) Henry 1825, Thomas 1828, Robert 1830, John
1832 d.1841, James 1833, John Cordley 1842
Marriage on the IGI Thomas COLE and Rebecca CORDLEY, 4 Oct 1824, Pinchbeck
1851 HO107/ 2096 110/ 2 Lincolnshire Pinchbeck
Hammond Beck bank
Thomas Cole head mar 49 ag lab Lincolnsh Pinchbeck
Rebecca Cole wife mar 48 do do
William Cole son mar 24 ag lab do do
James Cole son U 17 do do do do
Joseph Cole son U 11 scholar do do
John Cordley Cole son U 9 do do do
Eliza Cole daur U 7 do do do
Robert Cole son U 20 ag lab do do
I was hoping Sarah Ann (1861) may be a sister, but she came from Pinchbeck, so perhaps a friend.
Certificates can be very expensive, but perhaps a couple that could be very useful
Birth of Henry T Wright should give his mother's maiden name
Marriage of Dobson Addy and Eliza may give Eliza WRIGHT nee COLE
Trish
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winston
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Trish
GOSH! 
You have worked hard on this one.
I hope it proves to be correct.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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winston
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HI
Rebecca Wright as seen in the 1881 census with Mum Eliza.
Is found in the 1891 working in the Lunatic Asylum Prestwich Lancs under the name of Rebecca Addy age 19 born Wakefield
Could it be the same one?
Too much of a coincidence for it not to be I think.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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winston
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Hi
There is then a possible marriage for a Rebecca Wright/Addy born circa 1872 Wakefield in 1897 to an Alfred Dixon in Manchester.
After checking the 1901 census out she is found living at Dean lane Failsworth Manchester.
So maybe it was an aunt who took your father to the shops in Manchester that you menitoned in one of your messsges.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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suzard
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Amazin Trish -and well done Winston - Viktoria should be thrilled
Suz
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trish251
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Trish GOSH! You have worked hard on this one. I hope it proves to be correct. Wendy
I've had a friend helping  It is always intriguing when names are changed for unknown reasons and it seemed to be the only way to find young Henry. I am beginning to think that the 1891 Ester Johnson was a mistake made by the enumerator. It really doesn't make any sense. The 1901 born in Manchester also, either the enumerator copied too many "do" or Eliza didn't really care about accuracy at that time of her life. (It will be good to see the original household returns for 1911, rather than the enumerators' transcriptions)
Eliza seems to get slightly younger through each census - which seemed quite common - one of my gg grandmas lost at least 10 years I think it often happened if a woman married a younger man, which seems to be the case with Eliza.
I can't work out what happened to Dobson in 1891, nor why the marriage collapsed. I did think of jail or a mental illness - but really cannot find a good possible in 1891.
You and Suz have also provided much useful information - I also hope that it is the right solution, it would seem Henry perhaps accepted his step father as his father - quite common in many situations.
If Eliza was the grandmother & she lived to 1905, she could also have been the one visiting the posh shops in Manchester.
Trish
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Viktoria
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Dear Trish ,I think you have cracked it! there are too many coincidences to be ignored.; it is even possible that the enumerator misheard Johnson for Dobson. What a lot of work you have done on my behalf and many other people too.I am so grateful and send my heartfelt thanks. May I ask another favour please? I don`t seem able to send a cover "Thankyou" to everyone-- I must be doing something wrong,I only get personal messages through and I would not like to miss anyone out. of all who have helped. You will gather I am very new to this and you will also gather that as my father was born in 1897 that I have had my bus pass for a long time.! I have managed to get all the details of my mother`s lovely .large family--13 children- some infant and neonatal deaths but at one time there were 10 and the first was born 3 weeks before grandma and grandad got married in 1885when they were both 19 and the marriage ended with her death in 1932 at the age of 67 She was a glutton for punishment because she "adopted" three children of a widowed neighbour and when she died a sanctuary lamp was placed in church -always burning- in her memory. It only went out when the church was demolished in the Manchester "slum" clearances. Before I die I wanted to know these people as well as I could and it feels as if the family are together again even if just on paper.There is a re-union of sorts in December-people coming as far as California and I`m sure the original members all of whom are now dead would be pleased. So naturally I wanted to do the same with my dad`s family. I did my grandma who came from Shropshire but this of my grandad has had me stumped for a long time and now I am very sure I have found his ancestors. there is a lot more I could say but just one more THANKYOU or I`ll bore you to tears. I`m very happy now ..Viktoria
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winston
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HI Viktoria
For the bit of info I was able to add to Trish's find your are more than welcome.
Hope you enjoy your Xmas gathering.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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trish251
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Hi Viktoria
Despite (or because of) the long term bus pass, you have done everything right that I can see, with perhaps a minor confusion as to which board for posting - a problem we all seem to have - the advent of lots of green mods, seems to have theads being moved all over the place - regardless of age.
If you have trouble finding your threads, after you log on to RootsChat there is a blue link - top centre/right -
Show new replies to your posts - If you click on that link, any new message on any thread you have posted on (and/or started) will be in the list.
The best place to thank everyone - is as you have done - on the thread itself. Everyone reading the thread will be so pleased that maybe the right Henry has been found. I would think his Mum did not have a very easy life - losing her husband with young children to look after.
Lots more there to keep you busy if you intend researching Eliza and James Wright to earlier generations
I must also thank my genealogy friend who thinks outside the box (unlike me) and suggested I search for Henry without assuming a last name and Wendy and Suz who found information which agreed with my thoughts - I was needing some agreement as it did seem a little strange in the beginning.
enjoy
Trish
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sbunter
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Hi Viktoria,
I have only just come across this long very confusing set of postings.
I was very interested to see the ADDY link as I believe that Jonathan ADDY who married Martha DOBSON 1850 @ Goole, is part of my tree, though I do not have details of the marriage to prove it.
Happy to share info,
cheers,
Sharon
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Viktoria
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Hello and thankyou for getting in touch.It turns out my great grandmother was not called Ester Johnson at all. Her maiden name was Eliza Cole and she first married James Wright and had my grandfather Henry and a daughter. James died and Eliza married again to Dobson Addy . The enumerator in the 1891 census made monumental errors.Firstly naming Eliza as Ester and giving her the surname Johnson instead of Addy. The fact that she had living with her a woman named Martha Hart who was her sister in law gave the clue that Ester was obviously married to Martha`s brother as Martha`s maiden name was Addy. My Grandfather and his sister took their stepfather`s surname.
The substitution of Johnson for Addy is hard to understand but she may have been asked her husband`s name and replied "Dobson". As the census forms were not filled in at the time in the house but later this could account for the errors.RootsChatters helped me with this ,I would never have made the leap myself. At the moment I am not subscribed to Ancestry or Genes Reunited so cannot check the details you have given but they do seem familiar. I think you are talking about Martha and Dobson`s parents,although I thought Their father was Jonathan Addy.Anyway It`s lovely to hear from you and keep in touch ,I may be able to help you which I would like to do as I have had so much help from kind experts myself. kindest regards .Viktoria
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