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Viktoria
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Help please. can anyone advise how to obtain a Birth Cert with this scant knowledge?
I want Birth Cert for -Henry Addy born about 1871 in Norwell Notts.
Mother Ester Johnson born Pinchbeck Fen about 1849
On Henry`s Marriage Cert his father is also a Henry Addy .Deceased Blacksmith. This was 1896
So either Henry Addy junior was illegitimate and Ester was never married to Henry senior or she remarried a Mr. Johnson. There is no Maiden name to go on and I have trawled through so many records I think I will never solve this .Ester does not appear on any records other than the 1891 census and although it states she was married there is no Mr. Johnson present. Any suggestions most welcome. Viktoria--although this has beaten me!
Moderator comment: more info on this family here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=344264.0
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What is interesting is
martha Hunt who is with Esther Johnson in 1891 - and listed as sister in law- was previously martha Addy -and she has a brother called Johnson Addy!!!
I can't find any more on johnson Addy other than he is 18 n 1871 census? ?
What a mystery???
Suz
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Nick29
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She may not have been a sister-in-law by modern definition. In those times step-brothers and sisters were often referred to as "in law". Judging by the age of the two women (42 and 24), it's possible that Martha Hunt is Esther's step-sister.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I thought that was a possiblity,Nick - but traced (what looks like) Marthas family back to 1851 and no sign of an Ester.
1851 her parents are living in Balne-Jonathan (26-farmer)and Martha (24) Addy -no children presentjust John Earl (20FS)
Of course there is the possibility Esther was b pre marriage and is with Grandparents -or other family members
or martha was previously married and Esther is a child from that marriage.
the other puzzle is why is son's name Addy -and where is he in 1881 (and possibly 1871 if he was b in time for census - I can only locate him in 1891/1901??
Suz
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trish251
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There are a couple of other threads on this topic - I tried to answer one - it was locked, with no link, so a mod might like to fix that one. meanwhile;
I thought it may be useful to post the rest of the information here - so it is all together - I'm not very good at multi windowing
Help!! !all you very helpful people out there. Ester Johnson appears in only one record ie. the 1891 census. She is 42 so born 1849. Married but no Mr. Johnson in the house at the census. She was a dressmaker born at Pinchbeck Fen. One son Henry Addy aged 20 born 1871 Norwell Notts.On his marriage cert in 1896 his father is named as Henry Addy .Blacksmith(deceased).So either Ester remarried or was not married to Henry Addy the Blacksmith - and my grandad was illegitimate. There is no maiden name so I cannot obtain a Birth Cert for Henry Addy junior-my grandad. The address in the 1891 census is 5 Reather Street Manchester .St. George`s Parish St. Michael`s District. I have trawled through records without any success and don`t know what to try next. She bugs me and when I am searching for her strange things happen to my computer!The funny thing is staying with her as sister in law was Martha Hart Nee Addy but Martha had no brother of an age to be consorting with Ester either in or out of wedlock. It is a mystery. Viktoria
I don't know if the following is the correct family - I'm still looking, but it is interesting. I looked for the lad Henry (no surname) on the Family search census
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Quite a few born in Nottinhamshire of the right age - but only 1 found born in Norwell
1881 census RG11/4582 58/19
Carlton Street Alverthorpe Cum Thornes, York
Eliza Wright head W 34 dressmaker Pinchbeck, Lincoln
Henry T Wright son 10 Norwell, Nottingham
Rebecca A Wright dau 9 Wakefield, York
A few FreeBDM entries
Marriages Dec 1881 Dobson ADDY Nottingham 7b 535 on the same page Eliza Wright
Birth Jun 1870 Henry Thomas Wright Southwell 7b 314 (Southwell includes Norwell)
Birth Sep 1871 Rebecca Ann Wright Wakefield 9c 60
Living nearby was the following RG11/4582 124/9
Thornes lane, Tadman Bldg Alverthorpe Cum Thornes, York
Dobson ADDY head U 28 grocer and beerseller Balne, York
Jonathan ADDY brother 25 Balne, York
So is Ester = Eliza and is Henry Addy = Henry Wright
The Johnson name I haven't yet found - nor where Martha Hunt fits the picture
Trish
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trish251
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1871 Census has James Wright with Eliza and Henry
RG10 /3537 13/19 Nottinghamshire Norwell
James Wright head mar 26 wheelwright leics Walcot
Eliza do wife mar 26 Leics Pinchbeck
Henry S do son U 10 mths Notts Norwell
Jane do mother W 68 Lancs Digby
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Martha Hunt (nee Addy) had a brother Dobson!!!!
1861
Martha Addy head m 36 farmer Shipley Yorks
Martha wife 34 Pollington
Alice daughter 9
Dobson 8
Jonathan 5
John 4
james 2
William under 1 mth
James Boldey? serv Hindsley? Leic
children all b balne
RG9 3436 24 8
and in 1871 - who I read as Johnson -I think would be Dobson?
1871
High Gate Balne
Jonathan Addy head M 46 Farmer Shipley Yorks
martha 44 Pollington
Alice 19
Johnson?(Dobson?) 18
Jonathan 15
John 14
James 12
William 10
David H 7
MARTHA 4
George W 8mths
all children b balne
RG10 4633 27 11
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trish251
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Jonathon seems to be there as well - so that links Martha as a SIL - Did you find her marriage?
There is a marriage in the district of Loughborough between James Wright and possible Eliza Adkin - Sep 1869 - but impossible to see if there is a death for James - fairly common name.
1901 seems to find Dobson Addy living in Pollington Yorkshire - listed as single
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Can you find dobson in 1891?
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trish251
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Can you find dobson in 1891?
Suz
No - not at the minute. I was wondering if he immigrated or similar when I couldn't find a death - but then I found him in 1901. Perhaps he left home & this brought about the name change - if Eliza is the correct person. Our families do like to leave us some puzzles. It could also be a transcription errors.
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I haven't found martha 's marriage -but in original posting it was stated martha Hunt nee Addy
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winston
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Martha was shown as Martha Hart not Hunt in the 1891 census.
Martha J Addy bn 1867 Baln married George Victor Hart in Northwich in 1888 If I remember rightly so where is George Victor Hart in the 1891 census since both ladies show that they are married.
Martha had remarried to Fred Bateman by the 1901 census and was living back in Yorkshire.
But it still does not answer the poster original question....
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Could someone else check the 1891 to see if they think that this could be George v Hart bn 1868 Ardwick whom married Martha Addy as shown above.
He states he is married but no wife is with him. His parents as shown as Sampson and Fanny
There is a death for him in 189 Sept which is obviously why he doesn't show in the 1901 census.
Wendy
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trish251
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Thanks Wendy
I see another post I missed with a little information about Martha
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,343235.0.html
Dobson Addy died in 1923 aged 69 - on FreeBDM - I wonder if they divorced? Seems unlikely for those times.
Trish
Edit: 1891 is mentioned on the thread I linked to with the information you have given
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so complicated!!!!
I have been trying to find Eliza/Esther b Pinchbeck
I have found this- 1851 census (edited)
transcribed as Eliza Rowles daughter in law 4 b Pinchbeck
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Benjamin Rowles Head Farmer Spalding
Matthew lee srvant M 29 indoor lab
Ann lee M 31
ELIZA LEE daughter of serv 4 Pinchbeck
mary Ann lee 1
HO107 2096 14 20
wondered if this could be Eliza ?
maybe she was b before parents married and is reg in another name ??
There is also an Esther lewis b Pinchbeck - bu she is with parents in 1871
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