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Aussie Roy
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From the Mundane to the Sublime
Part 1
My own life to date would be described as 'mundane', nothing exciting ever happens. Oh! in 1968 I did emigrate to Australia with my wife and three young children. So what ? so did hundreds of others. Hardly 'world shattering news' is it ? The event may have made the ' Woburn Reporter ' or ' Bletchley Gazette' Just mundane like my Batham ancestors before me, bricklayers and chimney sweeps.
Great-great grandfather William Batham 1783-1853 may have been a more colourful character, living (and dying) in Notting Hill, an area so bad it was described by Charles Dickens as a most obnoxious slum. William had various occupations, locksmith, bellhanger and pig breeder, the latter being the cause of the obnoxious slum. William, according to my cousin Jack (cousin n x removed) married late in life because he was in the army, 3rd Foot regiment and served at the Battle of Waterloo. A bit of excitement there, but he was one of 23,000 British troops. He is the end of the line till I or someone finds his father.
On my mothers side I've got general labourers, Great grandfather Walter Hussey 1836- 1910 came to Bethnal Green, London from Bridport, Dorsetshire. His father Christopher Hussey 1801-1837 was a seaman and died by accident . He fell from a triangle aboard the schooner 'Safrina' in Bridport harbour. I have yet to find out what a triangle is or was. And again he is the end of the line so far.
The mundane nature of the tree continues with Smiths in Wiltshire who were 'Cordwainers' and Pattendens in Whitechapel, East London who were nothing in particular although one Joseph Medley Pattenden was in the merchant navy. He died in 1769 aboard the Eastindiaman 'Talbot' somewhere between Bengal and England. From here on it's the usual Ag labs.
When I continue my wife's ancestors may provide something more interesting. Roy
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Just Moi
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Hi Roy,
I found, I went to The Lighter Side, and twas you there !
Well writ
Cheers
GGD
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Just Moi
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Roy,
You realise of course that the 3rd regiment on foot came to NSW and relieved the 48th regiment (both were veteran reg from Waterloo !!). This was NSW 1817 to say 1830 ish.
Cheers,
MA
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Aussie Roy
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I didnt know that ggd. What I do know is the 3rd Foot became the Scots Guards http://www.britishbattles.com/index.htm
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Just Moi
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Hi Roy,
I think they were called THE BUFFS at one stage early on in NSW, guarding the convicts, etc
Cheers,
MA
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Aussie Roy
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Part 2
In the normal course of a mundane life I should never have met my wife Barbara, yet strange things can happen. You see, I was born in Harlesden, North West London. Middlesex really and a working class area where the most exciting thing to happen was the 'Blitz' in 1941. My father decided to move out in 1955 to the peace and quiet of Woburn Sands in Bedfordshire. That was before the government decided to build a new concrete jungle there called Milton Keynes. Actually Milton Keynes was already there , but a sleepy mundane village where nothing exciting happened, not even the blitz. Barbara Wiseman lived in the next village of Bow Brickhill which was over the border in Buckinghamshire. We met while travelling to work in Fenny Stratford. How Barbara got to Bow Brickhill is a bit of a mystery because she was born at Poolfoot Farm, Singleton, nr Blackpool Lancashire. Her father George Wiseman was a mundane Ag lab and moved south looking for work. George was born 1st Jan 1914 in Starbotton, nr Kettlewell Yorkshire, 1 of 17 children , his wife Jane Myers, born 14th April 1913 (on the 1st anniversary of the Titanic). Both these in-laws of mine had more interesting ancestors than mine. Both it seems were blood relatives descended from two different lines of Thomas Chippendale of Skipton 1572-1636. Whether this Thomas was also the ancestor of the Chippendales of furniture fame I have yet to find out as Chippendale was quite a common name in the 1700s.
I told you my wifes side was more interesting. Next George Wiseman's ancestry
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Aussie Roy
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Part 3
George Wiseman 1914-1993 Retired in 1979, his last job a gardener at Bletchley Park, famous for the wartime activities. George was there when the documetaries were made. His father was Thomas Henry Wiseman 1874 - 1928 coming from a long line of Wisemans, lead miners of Kettlewell going back to 1712. Here the female side gets interesting. George's mother was Lizzie Emma Heinemann 1886 - 1966. She was one tough lady who I met in 1962 when she lived in Hyde, Cheshire. Imagine the life she led with 17 children 15 of whom survived. Living in Starbotton on a farm labourers wage, and having to move away to Barnoldswick after her husband died 1928 and her youngest was only 4 yrs old. Incredibly they all survived. Lizzie Emma was the illegitimate child of Charlotte Heinemann b. 1859 Sangate, Kent. Charlotte had been in service in Gargrave, nr Skipton Yorks, while her father Julius Heinemann and mother Amelia lived in Kettlewell. She may have become pregnant there, but by 1891 she was living with her widowed mother in Kettlewell. Julius Hienemann 1824 - 1882 was born in Prussia, possibly Magdeburg and was in England before 1856 when he married Amelia Wingate at Elham Kent. Julius, a tailor by trade served in the British army. Charlotte as we have seen was born in Kent. The next child Julius Stephen was born in Malta 1867, then Amelia b.1871 in Bury Lancashire, Evidently Julius retired and chose for some reason to settle with his family in Kettlewell. Julius Stephen married Alice Gill and established the Heinemann dynasty in Ilkley, Yorkshire where I suppose there are still some living. Amelia Heinemann married Hugh Brown, a more mundane sort of name.
Next Amelia Wingate
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Leofric
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Roy,
The 3rd Foot became the Royal East Kent Regiment, also known as the Buffs due to the facings of that colour on their red coat.
The 3rd Foot Guards are a different kettle of fish entirely, and as you say, are now the Scots Guards.
Leofric
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Aussie Roy
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The triangle was used for flogging miscreants, especially in the Army and Navy.
Quote from Wikipedia:
Typically, the offender's upper half was bared and he was suspended by the hands beneath a tripod of wooden beams (known as 'the triangle'), while either one or two floggers administered the prescribed number of strokes.
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I don't think its the same triangle . His death certificate issued after an inquest definitely says 'death was the result of falling from a triangle which I assume meant from a height. If he died after a flogging I'm sure that would be indicated on the cert
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Reayboy
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Caroline Rebecca Wertheim 08.06.1876 - 16.02.1969
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Roy this is cool! I like it!
I think fans will like you more lol...you tell them what happens next!
Keep this up its wicked!
Matt 
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney, Martin
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles, Osborne
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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Aussie Roy
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Part 4
Amelia Wingate 1831 - 1906 was born in Llancharian, Cardiganshire, South Wales where her father Charles Wingate 1796 - 1864 was a customs officer. He was born in Selsey, West Sussex and shortly after he married in 1919 was transferred to New Quay, Wales. The Welsh coast must have been a haven for smugglers if it required an officer to be sent there from Sussex .After birth of Charles jnr and Amelia he went to Sandgate , Kent where he soon retired to Elham. Charles jnr became a coastguard. Amelia must have led a fairly adventurous life after marrying Julius Heinemann, Charlotte was born in Sandgate 1859 and the family is not seen in 1861 census, having left for parts unknown. Malta being the only known foreign place that she went to where Julius Stephen was born.Then in 1871 listed at the barracks in Bury. Why Kettlewell in the Yorkshire dales was chosen is a mystery, She died a widow living in a cottage at 'The Green' Kettlewell, the same year that her granddaughter Lizzie Emma married the next door neighbour. What became of daughter Charlotte is unclear at present, no marriage or death found. The cottages at 'The Green' Kettlewell were demolished in 1920 The Wingates came from West Wittering in Sussex, some were customs officers. Other names connected to them are Perrin , Aylmore, Faith, nothing of particular interest found.
The Wiseman line can be traced back to 1712 and further in Westmoreland where they may or may not have taken part in repelling the Jacobite Rebellion of 1715.
Next The Myers side
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