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Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« on: Friday 28 November 08 19:00 UTC (UK) »
I have hit a brick wall on this one for last month finding nothing. Hope someone out there may have come across them inadvertently, whilst searching their own 'Stanleys'. My very first post so be patient if I am in the wrong place  Wink

I do believe they are travellers, but not 100%. My G G Gran is Emily Carter b. abt 1840 in Sussex, found on a few census to be a travelling hawker. She married Francis Light b. abt 1830. They married in 1872 4th quarter in the district of Chichester, both down as widowed him down as occupation cabman. This is where my plight starts as the marriage cert only has her fathers name, presumably her maiden name, but all I can make out is the surname Stanley.

The first name does not appear to be of any English that I can make out. All I can say is the end seems to contain the letters 'delo', Mandelo, bandelo? (Could there be such a name or similar) Can also note the occupation as Horse Dealer. Tried comparing the letters with other deciphered words to break it down, but no joy. Francis Light has not put his father down at all, so again dead end apart from family reference as place of birth Epsom, Surrey.

I have traced their movements since marriage from Chichester to Notting Hill and then on to Fulham where they were in a caravan, Victoria Yd Garden Row during the 1881 census. Francis is not around in the 1891 census so presumed to be dead.

Its before that I am struggling to get leads on.

I got a certificate for what I though may be Emily's first marriage to 'Carter', but alas it was coincidence another Emily Stanley.

Also no luck with a birth cert for either as yet.

So any pointers for breaking through brick walls gratefully received, especially if she is from the travelling community. I have gone through loads of previous posts but can't seem to find what I might need to help.

May also be useful to say that Emily is also known as Emilene in some records.

Thanks, Sue
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 November 08 20:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sue,

Is there any way you could scan the section in with her Father's name so we can see it?

Regards, Emma Wink
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 November 08 12:30 UTC (UK) »
Hi Emma, I have scanned the copy. Unfortunately its a really dark copy which adds to the problem, but have done what I can. Hopes it works, I am hopeless at some of this attachment stuff! Thanks for looking in. Sue

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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sue,

Purely guess work at the minute but I'm inclined to say Vandelo Stanley.  There is this death:

Stanley, Vandelo
Death
Q March 1889
Age 87
Westhampnett
Sussex
Vol 2b
Pg 244

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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:28 UTC (UK) »
Brill Emma, what a star, will look into it more now and see if it ties up. Very unusual name anyone ideas of origin?
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:36 UTC (UK) »
In 1861 there is this family - note the son's name - would assume they are linked!!

1861

Mill Lane ??, Alverstoke

Daniel Stanley, Head, 57, Basket Maker, Hants Chilbolton?
Ann Stanley, Wife, 50, Hawker, Sussex Emsworth
Mary A Stanley, Daughter, 21, Hawker, Sussex Vine Hill
Vandelo Stanley, Son, 18, Horse Dealer, Sussex Silver Hill
?? Stanley, Daughter, 16, Hawker, Hants Portsmouth
Robert Church?, 18, Ag Lab, Hants Wickham?

RG09/646 F 120 P 28
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:39 UTC (UK) »
Sorry I'm a bit all over the place but I'm just posting things as I find them!

1881

Van (next property is 1 Railway Cottages), Oving, Sussex

Vandelo Stanley, Head, Wid, 79, Hawker, Hants Southampton

RG11/1126 F 97 P 37

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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:45 UTC (UK) »
1861

Petworth Gaol Special Release? (not sure on the last word), Petworth, Sussex

Vandelo Stanley, Prisoner, 57, Mar, ??sey, Hants Farleigh

RG09/611 F 87 P 55
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:50 UTC (UK) »
I have found the following Christening:

Betsey Stanley
16th September 1827
Salehurst, Sussex
Father: Vandal Stanley
Mother: Sally
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 29 November 08 14:51 UTC (UK) »
Naughty boy!! I have found the records for the first couple of posts you have put, saving them now for reference. I'm so excited after so much searching - another brick wall climbed for now. Brilliant to have such a great site as this one, never knew it existed until I googled. Such brilliant people too spending their own time helping others. Back to the seach........
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 29 November 08 15:30 UTC (UK) »
I think I may be finding some relatives of the original Vandelo, all same area of birth and most hawkers or basket makers...........  Smiley
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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 November 08 15:31 UTC (UK) »
Now, I know we're looking for Emily, but I'm trying to close the net!!

1871

Florence? Lane, Oving, Sussex

Vandelo Stanley, Head, 67, Hawker, N K
Sarah Stanley, Wife, 65, Hawker, N K

RG10/1115 F 107 P 46

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Re: Stanley Family - Sussex to London
« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 December 08 18:16 UTC (UK) »
Checked this out and agree Florence Lane seems probable. No sign of any other Stanleys nearby, I went over pevious pages. The Romany genes web site has loads on there too, but sadly still no sign of Emilene / Emily prior to 1872 on second marriage. Will have to keep plodding along. She also had an Emilene / Emily daug. Keturia daug. Edis daug. can't find any apart from Emily as she was my greatgran. Was told via the family Emily the daug was only 16 when she married and first born was Selina but again no records and she only survived a few years - apparently. Thanks again though for the leads you have given me Emma, at least I have loads to keep me occupied for a while  Wink
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