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Annied22
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I know there are currently at least three of us posting here who are researching families from Seaton Sluice. Two of us have already established a connection, albeit quite a distant one (one of my great great uncles marrying a great great aunt I think).
I did the bulk of my work on the family tree 25 years ago, it's quite large and sprawling and includes a number of the old Seaton Sluice names. Having had it tucked behind a wardrobe for many years, I've now pulled it out and started to look at it again with a view to tying up the loose ends. That's how I came across this forum.
I'm wondering if there's anyone else lurking/posting here who has an interest in Seaton Sluice. If there are a few of us, it would be good to be aware of each other and perhaps combine knowledge.
Ann
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Dickinson, Forster, Crisp, Davy, Sankey, Herdman, Watts, Elder, Seaton Sluice
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angel103
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Hi. My family are from Seaton Sluice, in fact my father was born there and I live just along the road. I am researching Burnett's from Seaton Sluice. William Burnett born 1776 in Nafferton near Ovingham is my 4xgreat-grandfather and I assume he came to Seaton Sluice to work in the bottle works.
I too, started my family tree years ago, before computers and last year decided to dig out all my old files to get it into some order.
Good luck!
Angela
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Annied22
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Hi Angela,
I'm just down the road too, in Whitley Bay. Burnett isn't a name that features in my family history, but I think all the "old" families end up being tied in together at some point.
I've got a photocopy of a Petition to the Marquis of Waterford asking for permission to convert part of the old brewery into a church. It's dated 8th November 1855 and one of the signatures is "William Burnet",possibly your great great grandfather?
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Dickinson, Forster, Crisp, Davy, Sankey, Herdman, Watts, Elder, Seaton Sluice
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Annied22
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
Hi,
My great great grandmother was Elizabeth Forster, born in Seaton Sluice in 1827, died 28.02.1896. She married John Dickinson on 26.08.1848. Does she fit into your family history?
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Dickinson, Forster, Crisp, Davy, Sankey, Herdman, Watts, Elder, Seaton Sluice
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Patsy Beech
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Hello Seaton Sluice Folk,
I don't seem to have any name matches, but I do have ancestors from Seaton Sluice, and as you say it is not a very large place! Although I believe it at one time rivaled North Shields as the biggest Northumberland port/harbour!
My family were the Elstob & Dodman lot!
John Elstob (Master Mariner) married Sarah Dodman and their children were:-
Sarah Elstob
Born: 16th January 1800
Baptised 15th February 1800
Died: 8th January 1802
Buried: 10th January 1802
Mary Ann Elstob
Born: 10th December 1801
Baptised 9th January, 1802
Sarah Elstob
Born: 21st November 1804
Baptised: 27th April 1805
Married: 10th December 1831 - John Hunter (Mariner)
Married: 22nd October 1848 - Matthew Turnbull (Blacksmith)
John Elstob
Born: 16th October 1808
Baptised 12th November 1808
Margaret Elstob
Born: 21st April 1811
Baptised 20th May 1811
It is from the Parish Burial Records that I know the family lived in Seaton Sluice because when the first daughter named Sarah died in 1802 it gives the family's abode as Seaton Sluice otherwise all the records just state Earsdon by North Shields.
You never know this just might fit into someone's tree.
Happy Searching,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Michael Dixon
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There exists a map of Seaton Sluice ( previously called Hartley Harbour) circa 1820s , showing all occupants names and occupations annotated against their homes.( Mostly glassworkers)
One copy of this map is in Blyth Library.
Patsy, Seaton Sluice harbour was probably one the smallest along the Northumberland coast... a small fraction of the size of North Shields, Blyth, Berwick... ( see the Seaton Sluice section within the site communities.northumberland.gov.uk )
Michael Dixon
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Annied22
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I've got a photocopy of that map Michael, but unfortunately it doesn't include Rocky Island, so there are some significant gaps in the list of inhabitants.
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Patsy Beech
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Dear Michael,
Now I am confused!!!! Does not take much!!!!!!!!!
From the website http://www.seaton-sluice.co.uk/content/into.html (or a Google search will find it) it says
"Just over 200 years ago Seaton Sluice became the centre of a flourishing coal and glass trade, exporting to western Europe, and for its size was the centre of greater commercial activity than any other town on the North East coast with ships of up to 300 ton burden visiting the tiny harbour."
So the harbour may be tiny but the trade was considerable.
"...trade at Seaton Sluice once rivalled that of North Shields and Blyth and its success was entirely due to the entrepreneurial and engineering skills of the Delaval family."
This does mean that there were quite a lot of families involved one way or another - seamen, miners, ropemakers, sailmakers etc. etc.
Thank you for the information about the map - I would really love to visit Blyth Library to see it, but Essex is a few hours away so it will have to wait until my next visit "home".
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Annied22
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Hi Patsy,
Michael will probably be able to tell you more, but although Seaton Sluice was very busy in the past, it never seems to have been that big in terms of numbers of families living there. When you read about all the industries, some of which were going on concurrently, you get the impression that there must have been thousands of folk, but as far as I can make out it was more like hundreds.
I'm in the throes of having my house re-wired and am currently trapped in my bedroom with my laptop attempting to keep out of the way of the electricians! When things get back to normal, I have a photocopy of an 1812 map which I can probably scan in 4 parts, join together and email you. I can't see any of the family names you've mentioned on it, but like I said, it doesn't include Rocky Island, Sandy Island or Seaton Lodge, all of which were home to a number of families, so it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't around.
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Dickinson, Forster, Crisp, Davy, Sankey, Herdman, Watts, Elder, Seaton Sluice
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Patsy Beech
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Dear Annie,
Thank you, and yes please. Once you are clear of the electricians a copy of the Seaton Sluice map would be lovely. If you send me a PM we can sort something out.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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fremund
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
Hi, My great great grandmother was Elizabeth Forster, born in Seaton Sluice in 1827, died 28.02.1896. She married John Dickinson on 26.08.1848. Does she fit into your family history?
Hi, All i have so far is my 4 x Gt Grandmother Mary Forster who i estimate was born circa 1788 in Seaton Sluice (1851 census). Her husband was John Lynn who i think was from Widdrington.
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Northumberland; Mann, Lynn, Waters, Pyle, Murray. Yorkshire; Ellis, Heckison, Proctor.
Lincolnshire; Wilkinson, Dawson.
Cumberland; Doran, Murray. Cheshire; Sutton,
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Michael Dixon
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Patsy,
Yes, small but busy harbour.
The Delaval family ( "lords of the manor") owned at least one coal mine, the highly-regarded glassworks at Seaton Sluice and the harbour.
The narrowness and the angle of the neck of the harbour produced dangerous sailing conditions. Some master mariners refused to use the harbour. Lord Delaval commissioned the cutting of a second harbour entrance to improve conditions. This new "sluice" also gave the harbour/community it's new name, Seaton Sluice !
In the "Photographs" and "Ordnance Maps" sections of the "SEATON SLUICE" community of the Northumberland Communities web site.....
At the third foto you can see the glassworks. At 14 and 15 and 9 you can see the cut "sluice" (has a little footbridge over it) Middle building of three on high at right hand side was/is Kings Arms.
Foto 9 is taken from the natural harbour entrance. 14 and 15 are looking seaward. There is a sharp left turn to the natural entrance.
Whenever I cross over the Seaton Burn, it looks as though there is hardly any water there, and you could easily cross over in a pair of wellies. However I know that there has been several tragedies there even in fairly recent times.
The 1860 25" version of map shows the area nicely, including Annie's areas of Sandy Island, Rocky Island and Seaton Lodge-to the left.
What I don't know is whether the new sluice was used simply to release water pressure on the harbour or whether ships used it. It was very narrow.
Michael Dixon.
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Names.
GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
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Annied22
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There's a copy of an 1812 map in the Watch House on Rocky Island. I took my digital camera there last year and tried to photograph it. I've just dug out the photos I took and pieced together close-up shots of all the names. I've also uploaded a shot of the entire map, which is just about clear enough to make out. (It may also be worth mentioning here that John Street later become Long Street and Hussey Street became Short Street. The latter names are how they appear on census returns.)
Here's the map
Here are the names
They're big pictures, so if they only appear as small ones on your screens, hover over the bottom right hand corner of each pic until a symbol appears. Click on the symbol and they'll blow up to their true size so you can read them.
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