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dragongirl
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Trying to find information on Joseph Steele /Annie Patterson who had a son James, Oct 5th 1886 at Garscadden, New Kilpatrick Dunbartonshire
Can find no Census information on this family until James Steele marries a Catherine Lowry in 1914 in Knockbeda Parish Belfast has a child in 1919 Catherine was supposed to have died of TB in 1920/21. James then emigrated to America and became a USA citizen
The Irish info is important but I really want to trace the steele family in Dumbarton any info very welcome.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Dragongirl
Have you viewed the birth entry for son James in 1886? It should include details of his parents' marriage (place and date). Can't easily see an entry for parents' marriage on Scotlands People.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dragongirl
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Hi Monica , I have a copy of the original Birth Cert.
Just gives following details
No 255 James Steele ,where and when born - 1886 October 5th 10PM at
Garscadden New Kilpatrick,
Sex Male. Name/Surname of father= JOSEPH STEELE profession
Pithead Labourer
Name and maiden name of mother---ANNIE PATERSON-
Domestic servant
date and place of marriage Blank they have witnessed each other`s details
Cert raised 1886 Oct 25th at New Kilpatrick signed Alex Wilson Registrar
Does this mean they weren`t married? I cannot find them on 1891 or 1901
Censuses Any pointers much appreciated Eileen
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MonicaLesl
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Not sure Eileen, would normally show if birth was illegitimate, it would be noted under his name in Col.1. However, the fact that mother shows as in employment and only her maiden name is given would make me think that it is likely his birth was illegitimate. In order for an illegitimate child to take his 'reputed' father's surname, the father would have to attend the registration of the baby's birth, which it would seem is what happened here as both have signed the register.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dragongirl
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\thanks, looks as though it is an illegitimate birth -
although nothing in column under the babies name
I did wonder why they needed to witness each others details,no ages for the parents but she has signed as Annie Paterson, Domestic servant, Mother.
Oh well more problems!!!!
Eileen
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MonicaLesl
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I've tried searching for James on the 1891 index with no surname just approx. birth year and birth place to see whether he may have showed with mother Ann if she had married after his birth, but nothing conclusive showing unfortunately.
Frustrating when it gets like this Eileen  I don't suppose you have anything else of relevance from his 1914 marriage cert or perhaps a death cert for the USA?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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dragongirl
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Hi Monica, The trouble is I`m working against time Mary Ellen will be 90years old next May, so even though she has all Faculties she does forget things.
I have copy of her birth cert,.
Someone on the Down site sent Marriage details of James and Catherine an I also have James Naturalization Cert
Marriage Civil Marriage 14th April 1914
James Steele and Catherine Lowry
St Clements Church of Ireland
Knochbreda Parish
Belfast District COUNTY DOWN
Something will turn up I hope !!!!
Eileen
Ps cant believe that Mary was an only child when yu see some
families
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dragongirl
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hi Monica, someone in Ireland e.mailed with additional information on the Marriage certificate, Father of groom is JOSEPH STEELE living in Down,So
obviously he`s still with James, well --up until wedding anyhow!!!!!!
more likely it is the same family.
Onward and upward as they say!
Happy new Year to you and yours
Eileen
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