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Topic: Why is everyone moving everything? (Read 2359 times)
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trish251
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Please someone tell me why it is so important to mark posts complete and move them to another board. Seems it makes alot of work for some - and I'd never seen it happening so much as in the past few weeks.
A similar enquiry was made on this thread http://www.rootschat.com/links/04z4/ , followed by an explanation. Jennifer
Sorry Jenn
That one really doesn't tell me why this should be done - just tells me to mark things complete. Many of my queries are never complete & I still don't understand why they need be moved.
The post you referenced is a good example of folks being confused by things being moved. If they are ABSOLUTELY in the wrong place - I agree they should be moved - otherwise it seems to be alot of work for a small return - but I'm not the one has to do it, so like any job, those with the job decide on the activity. In my working days I looked for ways to save time & effort - not create same.
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trish251
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As Valda says, tis a daunting task - even with a small % active in the 50K plus registered users, thats quite a lot of new posts tamping down the stack every day ....
I dont see many people 'bumping' their own threads tho which would help somewhat. There again, if a thread isnt answered at all, should nature take its course ?
Easy way to bring unanswered threads to the top is to sort by number of answers - that will find the ones not answered.
I think everyone who is currently or recently still posting on Rootschat should feel they have an equal chance of having someone look at their posts and help them.
Obviously reading all the posts and replying to many of them is a time consuming process, so doing this sort of housekeeping on very large and popular boards that have had no designated Moderator for sometime, if ever, is quite a time consuming activity, but I hope for the minor inconvenience it may cause some Rootschatters there is a much greater benefit for those whose topics are now getting the chance to have a fresh airing. Obviously there is quite a backlog to sort with new Moderators taking on the housekeeping on very popular boards so that is why more moved posts have been appearing recently when moderators have the free time to give to the task.
And thanks for answering Valda - I wasn't thinking of all your moving recently as obviously if you have to merge 2 boards (which I didn't much agree with - but it happened) then you have to move threads - but after that I think you are both giving yourselves much work - anyone can move threads - you have much expertise in answering London/Middlesex questions - I would hate it if those with this expertise became overloaded with housekeeping that is not increasing system efficiency.
And I wasn't only referring to London boards - things seem to be moving everywhere - haven't seen so much moving on the Oz board in ages.
Purely my thoughts, and to add to them, I would see more sense if completed threads were deleted - nice that someone might see them 10 years later - but the current speed of Rootschat is truly abysmal alot of the time - a smaller database might well assist. Any of mine more that a month old could certainly be deleted - I copy all my answers to my computer - as I download all my lookups from subscription sites - I trust my own storage better than any other (being my man is fixated about regular backups etc)
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trish251
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but the current speed of Rootschat is truly abysmal alot of the time - a smaller database might well assist good point, but it isnt the size of the database - frankly, RC's is peanuts compared to many. Tis the Server's other resources, and I guess like most things, only throwing money at it will help .... 
Tis all relative Newf - halve the data base & keep the same size server - it would be great. I have a lap top that I use for a minimal number of projects and the hard drive is about 10% used. It runs like a dream, I can't keep up - (except when using RC). My man has the same size lap top - disk is 75% full, he processes some massive DBs and it is grinding to a halt. He also has 2 desktops - I just have my one little lap 
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Arranroots
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Trish it's sweet of you to worry about our workload but actually it makes it easier for us, and importantly for others, in the long run. Thanks for everyone's forbearance meanwhile.
There are several issues here - the one about the Moved notices is easily resolved and we've decided that we will use those less, which will mean less clutter on the Unread list.
Newf - the Mark All Unread debate remains unresolved since the last time we discussed it. There's a thread somewhere (not marked Completed!!)
Rootschat behaves pretty well IMHO - certainly on a decent broadband connection it is OK most of the time. I well remember going to make a cup of tea while internet pages loaded in the bad old days of dial-up, so I'm more than greateful for what I get nowadays!
You will all notice a decline in the number of posts moving around when we all get sorted - but rest assured we won't be asking you to stop posting meanwhile!
Kind regards, Arranroots 
p.s. Completed posts will never be removed. They are a valuable repository, which can be searched to Google etc and should be available indefinitely.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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trish251
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OK AR, it is rare that I am accused of being sweet so I will assume you are correct - but I will expect to see a reduction in the discussion of how much work has to be done - cause stopping all the moving would certainly reduce the work load.
And it is really slow some of the time - trouble is - we quickly forget about the bad old days of dialup - I worked with computers in the days of punched cards, - the response time then was 1-24 hours, depending if you could convince the Computer Operators to process your punched cards instead of someone elses.
The best time for me is 2-4pm - but I have the advantage of being on the other side of the world to most posters - so I will just be smug about the advantages of being a colonial.
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Arranroots
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Rest assured - no work done without good reason!
Newf - you'll know when I know!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Well AR, based on the history of 'Suggestions for Improvement', I wont hold my breath
seriously tho, is there no vehicle to put forward such ideas - and get a considered response ?
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Arranroots
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Address at the bottom of every page - have you tried writing yet?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Necromancer
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are you seriously suggesting a Postcard 
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Necromancer
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abject apologies Trish - tis a good example of how easily things digress
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Berlin-Bob
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As I mentioned on another topic, suggestions for improvements and wishes for new fuctionality do get passed on to admin.
Not everything is "do-able" bearing in mind that we have to work with the resources we have now (hardware, software, firmware) and not with what we would like to have.
I also said on the other topic that all requests need to be considered in terms of performance. As an example, here is some general information to Newf's enquiry about "mark all as read":
To do this, the software needs to create a matrix of topics/members. Every time a member reads a topic, the topic is marked as read for that member. Any time somebody adds something to the topic, that topic must now be marked as "unread" for all members (apart from whoever actually posted the new reply - we've had this discussion before:
Topic: What does "new" by a posting mean ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,127304.0.html )
I don't know how the software could best do it:
1) a "matrix" file, as above ?
2) every topic in the database has a list of members "attached" that needs constantly setting and resetting ?
3) every profile has a list of "topics read" attached, that needs constantly setting and resetting ?
Part of this in place already (otherwise we couldn't have the "Show unread posts since last visit." link) but to do this for every member and every topic is an aweful lot of work.
I'm not saying it can't be done, and I'm not saying it won't be done;
I'm merely trying to show that there is sometimes quite a lot of work behind what seems like a simple task, and that some of this work can also mean performance loss.
Bob
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