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paco
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Westley Waterless
« on: Tuesday 02 December 08 16:48 UTC (UK) »

I have a copy of the Westley Waterless CD from CFHS, but the marriage years I am interested in are not recorded. There are no entries from February 1811 until July 1813. Does anyone know how I might obtain this information in some other way please?
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 08:55 UTC (UK) »

I can find no reference to there being being a gap in the Parish Register for this period, which in any event is covered by the Bishop's transcript. If there was a gap in the records I would expect there to be a note to this effect in the transcription.

My Cambs FHS transcriptions have compared the PR with the BT and any differences are noted, with any gaps in the PR being made up from the BT, with this being noted

Are you sure it's not simply a case of there being no marriages in this period?

The obvious way of checking is to view both PR and BT at your nearest LDS Family History Centre - both have been filmed by the LDS

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 11:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
On my transcription of Westley Waterless marriages, it just says there were no marriages recorded for the dates
mentioned.

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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 13:45 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your replies. I guess it is possible that there were no marriages in Westley Waterless for this time period, but two and a half years without any at all, does seem a bit unusual even in a small village.
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 15:19 UTC (UK) »

When my parents married in Beds theirs was the first marriage for 9 years in their parish!

Westley Waterless extracted marriages on the IGI show
1806 - 1 marriage
1807 - 0
1808 - 0
1809 - 1
1810 - 1
1811 - 2
1812 - 0
1813 - 2
1814 - 1
1815 - 1

So one could say that the only discernible pattern is that with very few marriages in the parish there were bound to be gaps.

Whose marriage are you looking for, which as it presumably didn't take place in Westley Waterless must have taken place elsewhere?

David


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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
paco
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 16:08 UTC (UK) »

The problem in my research has been the spelling of the surname, and so far it has been spelt in 23 different ways. The correct spelling is Rolison.
My G G Grandfather Joseph Rolison was born in Ramsden Heath, Essex in 1819, as were his three siblings, John 1813, Rebecca 1815 and Sophia born in 1820. I have obtained copies of the fiches for this time from Essex for baptisms -under Ramsden Crays, but no trace of any marriage before the first born in 1813-although I know this is not a foolproof way of looking for it.
So their parents presumably lived in Ramsden Heath between 1813 and 1820. Three of the four were married in Westley Waterless with Joseph marrying nearby in Carlton, and two of them died in WW.
However their parents who I know to be John Rolison and Rebecca ? have been very difficult to find. Although I don't know Rebecca's surname, I believe she died in Westley Waterless as I have what I believe to be her death certificate, with Joseph Rolison present at her death.
On Sophia's marriage certificate in Sept 1840, her father John was alive, but in December 1843 at Joseph's marriage, his father John was shown as deceased although I have not found his death anywhere yet either, probably due to the spelling difficulties with the surname.
I think I have hit a deadend, but any help would be greatfully received!!
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 16:45 UTC (UK) »

Found this marriage on Camb marriage index

John Rollins
Rebecca Halls

spin and bach

6th November, 1811 = Swaffham Prior


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Silas Brinkley
William Webb
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 16:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi paco

I see from the CFFHS web site that Rebecca age 60 is listed on the 1841 census but no sign of a John. Just because Sophias marriage certificate does not state that her father is deceased it does not mean that he is still alive, errors are made on certificates. I presume Rebeccas death certificate did not indicate that her husband was still alive.

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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 18:45 UTC (UK) »

On the same Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html on the Burial Index there's a burial of John Rollinson aged c50 at Swaffham Prior in 1836

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 December 08 09:38 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all your suggestions so far. I have also got the CD for Swaffam Prior, and Rebecca Hall was a possibility, but she died too early (1844) for my other info on the 1841 census-widow of John, and the death certificate for the other Rebecca who died at WW.
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 December 08 10:23 UTC (UK) »

WHEN did Rebecca die in WW?

The only information other than age in 1841 was that Rebecca wasn't born in Cambs
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 December 08 13:47 UTC (UK) »

Rebecca Rawlinson bur. 11th January, 1847, aged 71yrs. = Westley Waterless.
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 December 08 14:22 UTC (UK) »

Yes, this is the date 1847. Westley Waterless. On the death cert. it says Rebecca Rawlinson age 71 yrs. -widow of John Rawlinson-informant Joseph Rawlinson present at her death.
If this is the correct Rebecca, Joseph could possibly be her son, my G G grandfather.
The 1841 census does have a cross in the born in this county section against her name, but whether this is correct or not I don't know, as there are a few with crosses just before her name as well.
On the CD for WW for her death it says OTP which I assume just means she was living there when she died. I don't know I might be completely on the wrong track.
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 December 08 16:03 UTC (UK) »

I think the Swaffham Prior connection is a red herring, as the Cambs FHS baptism index shows children of John and Rebecca Rawlin(g)s being baptised there between 1814-34, and there's a Rebecca Rollins age 45 widow living there in 1841 with some of the children who were baptised.

With the children all having been born in Ramsden, Essex, which is some way from Cambs, I think that's the county I'd be concentrating on, not Cambs, for the marriage.

I don't like coincidences! There's a Henry Rowlesson age 3 buried at Carlton in 1829. Is he connected with your Rolisons, one of whom married in Carlton? There's also a James Rowlerson son of William & Hannah baptised in Carlton in 1813, and a George Rowlinson son of Stephen & Mary in 1825. Might be nothing, but sometimes looking laterally, or even off the wall like these, might provide a clue.

How about John Rawlinson aged 54 buried at WW in 1827? He's the right age to have had a wife who was 71 in 1847.

In 1841 the enumerator has clearly written "No" in the Born in County column. Ignore the x's in the column asking if they were born in Scotland Ireland or Foreign parts, which have been added at a later date, and which seem to be against those people who are not part of a larger family group, as indicated by the brackets in the same column

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Westley Waterless
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 December 08 20:07 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that David. I don't know about the Carlton ones as I haven't looked at them yet.
I have been deaing with Essex in part, as well as cambridge-keeping an open mind at this  time. However there was a marriage in Rettendon in 1802 (quite close to Ramsden Crays)between John Rawlinson and Rebecca Green on IGI, but this would mean 11 years before the first child was born.
The John Rawlinson who died in 1827 aged 54 had been considered as about the right age until I got John's daughter Sophia's marriage cert through the door and he was still alive then in Sept.1840 at least it didn't say he was deceased just that he was a Labourer.
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