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Topic: Bridget and Kate Sheldon 1828 - 31, ish (Read 1831 times)
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truebritmega
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Hello there. I have just traced my...great great nan, Bridget Sheldon to the 1851 England census, and find that she is from Mayo, her birth is 1828/9
(There is also with her a Kate Sheldon, who I assume is her sister...)
Bridget then moved to Wolverhampton and married a Patrick Clark(e)
They went on to have 2 children here, Mary (1865)(My great Nan) and John..
Mary then went onto marry a William Monaghan (born 1863) William... is also, according to various family members, said to have come from Mayo
Anyone know anything?
looking forward to hearing from you
Andy
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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truebritmega
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Hi there, and thank you so much for helping!...
I have Bridgets daughters birth cert, and that has Bridget Clark(e) formerly Sheldon, I have now found a Bridget Sherdon... in the 1851 census, and she is listed as Canal Street wolverhampton, which is also the same street that Bridget, as a married woman raised her family, I have her daughter being in that street up to her marriage(I have Marys wedding cert) in 1887, so, with Sheldon and Sherdon having such close sounds....? I am thinking it is the same woman.... and when i saw that the Bridget Sherdon.. was also from Mayo, well, I know, from relatives that Marys husband.. William Monaghan is supposed to have come from Mayo too, that is the one fact all the relatives agree on "our Monahans came from Mayo"
As to the Bridget marriage I have found (I havent got the cert yet as I wasnt sure if it is My... Bridget)... that record is to a Patrick Clarke, well the clarkes seem to be Clarke.. in early years and later, it becomes Clarke lol, they seem to like chopping and changing on that, but I guess it depends on how whoever writes the record down to begin with, "hears it" spoken ?
So I have a Sheldon, Sherdon and Churden... all extremely simmilar sounding names... are they all one in the same?
Sorry if the details get confusing, hopes I managed to put them down so you can follow them easy lol
And no, I havent found her in 1861 yet
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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heywood
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Yes I saw the thread re Sheldon/Sherdon/Sheridan/Churden stc.
It bothered me that there was another marriage for a Bridget Sherdan in the right place and time span.
I know the street sounds convincing and probably is. Again, though, on a note of caution, as you say elsewhere, the Irish lived in certain specific areas, and also people from the same county are often found together.
If she is on the same street in 1851 as later censuses and daughter's home, then where is she in 1861 
I would go ahead with the Patrick Clarke certificate - lots of Clarkes in Mayo and see what happens re father and the witnesses.
added:
am going through 1861 census Wolverhampton District 2 which has Canal Street (may not be all of it) Sadly it doesn't give numbers so that I could cross check. Spellings are as I see them with transcriptions as on Ancestry in brackets.
1861 RG9; Piece: 1991; Folio: 25; Page: 6
Canal Street Wolverhampton
Barthomelues (Barthometeus) Murthough head married 30 yrs field labourer b County Mayho Ireland
Catherine wife 28 yrs b Turlough Ireland
Mary Ann daughter 9 yrs b Wolverhampton
John son 6 yrs b Wolverhampton
James son 2 yrs b Wolverhampton
Bridget Shiridan (Shiredin)visitor unmarried 30 yrs b Wolverhampton
Barthomeleus Moren lodger 1 yr b Wolverhampton
(There is a Turlough in Mayo near Castlebar)
This illustrates some of the problems- spellings- and also whether place of birth was just dittoed for Bridget or was this one born in Wolverhampton.
Also - who is the 1 yr old lodger- hopefully not Bridget's child because this would rule her out of the equation altogether.
There is a Patrick Clark 26 yrs b Ireland lodging with Gilasby (?) family on pg 22
and Mayo does seem to figure quite a lot.
As I said before, I don't know if Canal Street occurs in any other districts but in district 2 I have gone from pg 3- 30 which is Canal st. Lots of Irish names.
In 1871 your Patrick and Bridget are in a Court on Canal Street.
I am sorry that I am quoting English census in an Irish thread when I know you are after your Mayo roots.
best wishes
heywood
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAlexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo. |
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truebritmega
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Thank you so much for the wonderful long reply and all the help you are giving me!
Yes I agress to err on the side of caution too, and dont worry about the info being on English censuses details, thats where all mine is from so far, I need establish the English side to get into the Irish side.
Canal Street, is, today Broad Street, a street right in the town centre, and is the only one in the city.
Bridget, when married, is listed in the 1871 and 81 census as being in Canal Street w her family, which is where I got her birthdate from.
Her daughter Mary, was also there still at the time she was getting married, 1887
and as I say, on one of those censuses (I forget which off the top of my head) another person living in the street is also the name of the witness to mary's marriage.
So with Bridget Sheldon in 1851 being so close in sound, to sheldon.....
Another curious part to this is, that in the 1851 census, there is also a John Sheridan... was he actually Sherdon too? (Bridget also named her son John!) for they are of simmilar age and, I have since found a John Sherdon census entry for Bilston,Wolverhampton, which isnt far from Canal Street really (tho I cant quite make out the street name on that census)
But that John Sherdon also named a daughter, Bridgett (yes with two t's ) that caught my eye as, one of nans sisters was called Bridgette Catherine, so perhaps thats where the name came from? Bridget, Bridgett, Bridgette?
Bridgette Catherine(Monaghan) is another curious one tho, for (I actually knew her) she was always known as Beatrice, and even in the 1901 census she is listed as Beatrice, but her daughter knew she was Bridgette, and her grave has the name Bridgette too... curiouser n curiouser?
and the Bridget Churden marriage, 1864 would also tie in well? (I am going to apply for that cert btw)
and ty for the Bridget you found in 1861 for I have no trace of her for that year
Canal street houses where all courts (or most of them) so you would have for instance house 15 court 9 (people are even listed as living in entrys around that area)
Yes the Irish did all live in the same area at that time, an area known as caribee island, an area around the streets of stafford street and canal street...
well, Bridgets daughters marriage cert has her, Mary Clarke living in canal street, and her hubby to be, William Monaghan, in Stafford street (the two streets adjoin each other)
William... is the one I have always known is "from mayo" but now it appears that the Clark/Sheldons are too?
The other connection...
is that the Bridget Sherdon 1851 her occupation, as I read it, says "working in brick kilns"
well the John Sherdon I have found, his daughter Bridgett... is listed as "brick makers assistant" coincidence? or perhaps they may have worked together?
Bit by bit I'll find my Mayo place lol either by William Monaghan (born Ireland 1863 with a father Michael Monaghan) or via the Clark Sheldons
Thank you so much for your help
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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truebritmega
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ty so much, but i think you misunderstood me on one part (or I mis-explained it) the witness part, occurs on the cert of Bridgets daughters marriage cert, not bridgets 
But I will let you know about the Patrick Clark / Bridget Churden marriage cert (thats the one i meant im getting lol ) Im hoping that when i get it, the ages of Patrick and Bridget will match in with there ages I have worked out via censuses, and wouldnt it be good ... if it turns out they married around canal street? just to tie everything up lol
In the meantime, Im gonna switch My focus a lil and see if I can find out where William Monaghan (1863) and his father Michael Monaghan came from (the mayo link I knew of first)
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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truebritmega
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I have William Monaghan (1863) in english censuses yes,(1901 and 1891censuses) but not his birth, I have him back to 1891 in horsely fields but not no further, only a stepson one in 1871 which is a very dubious one(one ive fairly miscounted now)
William also had a son, William(born 1886+or - a year) who was known as bill, he is listed too in both 1891 and 1901 but he vanishes after 1901 census.. I have heard from a couple of relatives that he may have moved abroad, possibly america, one relative said there was a fight between the two brothers and william vanished, they believed, to America
But from William and Marys wedding cert I know williams father is Michael (its william 1863,who all the relatives say is from Mayo)
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
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Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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truebritmega
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oooh... see its the no marriage record that made me feel a bit odd, but hmm and why heneghan? that seems a lil far off to me? (sorry lol Im not trying to be awkward really lol ) runs for a look @ the free bmd the Monachan one and yes the Ellen one I had as Ellen Fibben and James Garrity
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Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex
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