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oliveo
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romany
« on: Thursday 23 April 09 22:03 UTC (UK) » |
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need help with ggranparents john feder taylor. he had a daughter "rosella f taylor-son named john. i was told they came from romania to holy island, where my grangmother rosella was born.
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oliveo
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Re: romany
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 August 09 09:18 UTC (UK) » |
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does anyone know if "dunn" is a gypsy name,.? i have been searching for them in the taylors,no luck! was suggested they were in the dunn side of the family.gggrandmother "catherine dunn" do not know maiden name,she married a john dunn ,catherine born 1843 bamborough,northumberland,. any help with her parents?? thanks oliveo
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Tati
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Re: romany
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 August 09 10:09 UTC (UK) » |
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From there, possible 1851 census match (obvioulsy, you'd need to confirm this with certificates)
1851
HO107/2420 157 9
Elford, Northumberland
James Beard, head, 35, Ag lab, b. Northumberland
Catherine, wife, 31, b. Beyned?
Catherine, dau, 9, scholar, b. Bamburgh
John, son, 7, scholar, b. Shilbottle
Isabella, dau, 5, scholar, b. Egligham
Thomas, son, 1, at home, b. Ellingham
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oliveo
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Re: romany
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 August 09 16:05 UTC (UK) » |
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thanks tati,i will look into that name"beard". i was getting nowhere with taylor,. yes catherine 1869 was my ggrandmother,their first child,. once again "thanks,oliveo
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oliveo
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Re: romany
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 18:26 UTC (UK) » |
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great!! i was beginning to think i was never going to find anything on this. my mother told me long ago that grandparents of my nannas were from romania,lived on holy island,thats where my nanna was born,. my gggrandmothers name was baird&her husband was a dunn,so it must be on his side. thanks steve G, i know now dunn is a gypsy name,. thanks again oliveo
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oliveo
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Re: romany
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 August 09 21:55 UTC (UK) » |
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does anyone know about romanys on holy island?was told thats where my nannas family came to,fromromania,names are dunn&beard(baird) where would i look,? to find out.thanks so much,oliveo
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Steve G
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Re: romany
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 August 09 22:14 UTC (UK) » |
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Oliveo; Now ye've reminded me of all this, one thing returns to mind; The bit about ye Nanna's family being from " Romania " .....
Just a shrewdly educated stab at it, but ..... I'd bet a fair bit that this is just like " Gypsys " being from " Little Egypt ". Does that mean anything at all to ye?  Possibly not. So, just in case, I'll elaborate.
'Legend has it' that, when the first Romany people reached england (and these would have been, as the earliest photo's still show us, extremely dark skinned people. They could as easily have passed as Indian / Pakistani or even Australian Aborigines!  ) they said they were people of the 'Court of the King of Little Egypt'.
So on and so forth. One of the Kings ~ I believe it was an early George? ~ took a great shine to them and referred to them as his " Little Egyptians ". That name having become bastardised into " Gypsys ", in common parlance.
Point I'm trying to make is; It's probably more feasible that ye own 'family legend' has itself bastardised ye peoples origins. Thus, being Romanys has morphed, on the way down, into being " Romanians ", or even " Romanian Gypsys "
What ever. It certainly sounds like some of ye ancestors were indeed Romany Gypsys 
Now; Where on earth is Holy Island Is that the place off the end of Anglesey?
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oliveo
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Re: romany
« Reply #10 on: Friday 28 August 09 09:28 UTC (UK) » |
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i understand what your saying steve g.holy island is just an island,near northumberland,up near scotland.i will just keep searching,see what comes up,.many thanks,oliveo
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