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Abiam
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I have discovered the name of my Great Grandmother's father. She, Alice, was born to Jane Tubb in 1833 in Hungerford Union and the father was Joseph Bint of Shefford Woodlands, Berkshire. He was adjudged to be the father and ordered to pay costs of lying in and maintenance by the Overseers.
I have found families by the name of Bint in Hungerford on IGI but no Joseph. Can anyone help, please? Jane Tubb went on to have two further illegitimate daughters of which I can find nothing as the Overseer's papers stop at 1834.
It appears that Jane never married. Anything further would be appreciated,
Thank you,
Abiam
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Abiam
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I have enquired about this address before. The parents of Jane lived at Smitham Bridge for many years. It was on the '41 census that I found 'Hungerford Union, Smitham Bridge'. I think there must have been housing as well as on the '61 the address is just Smitham Bridge.
I hope they weren't all in the Union for 20+ years!
Thank you,
Abiam
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TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
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behindthefrogs
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The Union also served as the local hospital for the poor and so it was possibly no more than a temporary visit for the birth of the child.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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newburychap
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I have enquired about this address before. The parents of Jane lived at Smitham Bridge for many years. It was on the '41 census that I found 'Hungerford Union, Smitham Bridge'. I think there must have been housing as well as on the '61 the address is just Smitham Bridge.
I hope they weren't all in the Union for 20+ years!
I'm not sure where Smitham Bridge is/was but Smitham Bridge St today is on the other side of town from where the workhouse was (Park St). Hungerford Union could refer to the area, not necessarily the workhouse itself.
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behindthefrogs
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That makes a lot of sense. It would seem to just be a reference which says that the overseers of Hungerford Union were ordering the father to pay lying in and maintenance costs. This is what one would normally expect.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Hi Heywood, thank you,
In 1851 Alice was 17 and Jane's other daughters were Sarah 14 and Elizabeth 7. So hopefully Joseph Bint didn't father them as all his children with his wife Sarah were all born within their marriage, 1841. And he was quite occupied there!
I suppose it means buying certificates if I want to find out who their Fathers were! I am not keen to spend money on these as they are 'twigs' on my father's tree. if the lottery comes up they will be first on the list!
I don't suppose anyone has details of the Hungerford Union after 1834 especialy 1836 and 1844?
Thank you, Davd.
I imagine Jane was in the hospital part of Hungerford Union when she had Alice.
The address on the 1841 census says Smith Bridge Hungerford Union looking further on FMP it say Registration District Hungerford Union so that makes more sense.
Just an aside - This family are found on the censuses as Tubb, Jubb and Tabb! 
Regards,
Abiam
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SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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newburychap
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I don't suppose anyone has details of the Hungerford Union after 1834 especialy 1836 and 1844?
www.workhouses.org.uk has the basic information - such as the constituent parishes; when the workhouse was built (1847); and what was in use before (old parish houses at Lambourn and in Charnham St).
It also shows what related documents the BRO hold - which includes the Guardians minute books as far back as 1835 (ie to the year the Union was founded).
Some later (1866-1917) records have been transcribed by Eureka and are available from them or from Berks FHS (www.berksfhs.org.uk).
The Victoria County History will give a general history of each constituent parish.
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Abiam
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Thanks david,
I will see what the BRO hold,
Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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behindthefrogs
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The overseers papers are available from BFHS.
http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/projects/BerkshireOverseersDetails.htm
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Abiam
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Thanks David BTfrogs,
I already have the CD that's how I found Joseph but it only goes to 1834.
so I think I am probably stuck,
Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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newburychap
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I already have the CD that's how I found Joseph but it only goes to 1834.
Because the Overseers only go to 1834.
The Guardians took over when the 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act came into force and the poor became a Union responsibility rather than parish.
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Abiam
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Thanks David 
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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