Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Friday 05 September 08 10:22 BST (UK)
Welcome Home Help Shop Search Calendar Login Register
Search Images 

Online
 
  First Name(s)

Last Name

 
News: Ad: Search Ancestry.co.uk records now -click here-

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901)
| |-+  Scotland - General
| | |-+  Angus (former Forfarshire) (Moderator: RootsChat)
| | | |-+  Where is Craig, Ferryden
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] Print
Author Topic: Where is Craig, Ferryden  (Read 1161 times)
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 January 08 00:56 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Jim, 

Your suggestions have given me a kick start, so that brick wall just may come down.  Keeping fingers crossed.


                       Kind regards,

                                Dorothy
Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
Forfarian
RootsChat Veteran
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 537


I HAVE edited my profile - several times!


Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 11:58 GMT (UK) »

I have been looking at the 1881 census entry for your ggran Caroline and family; it is interesting to note that your gran's sister caroline, aged 3 on the census, was born in Ferr-Port-on-Craig, which according to my 1882 Gazetteer of Scotland is:
"A town and parish in extreme north-east of Fife.  The town stands on Firth of Tay, opposite Broughty Ferry; sprang from an abcient ferry; took the alternative name of Tayport at formation of the edinburgh, Perth and Dundee railway; acquired then extensive harbour works and station buildings for the railway's communication with Broughty Ferry; became afterwards a sea-bathing resort....."
That is correct

Quote
The Montrose railway had to have 2 bridges made to cross the river from Craig/Ferryport to Rossie island, then from the island to Montrose
Don't confuse Ferryport-on-Craig with Ferryden.

Ferryport-on-Craig is, as the above article says, on the north coast of the county of Fife, across the Tay from Dundee. It is not far from Wormit, where the famous Tay Bridge makes landfall in Fife.

Ferryden is the largest village in the parish of Craig in the County of Angus.

There were a rail and a road bridge from the south side of Montrose Basin (parish of Craig) to Rossie Island, then another road and another rail bridge from Rossie Island to Montrose. Some time in the last 50 or so years the channel south of Rossie Island was filled in and built on, so the island is no longer an island, and there is only one road bridge, from what was Rossie Island to Montrose. However both rail bridges still cross the water.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/37747 is the recently replaced road bridge from the former Rossie Island to Montrose
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/35631 is the rail viaduct from the south shore of Montrose Basin to what was Rossie Island
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/487529 shows the rail bridge from the former Rossie Island to Montrose





Logged

Researching

AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21 February 08 19:33 GMT (UK) »

Thankyou for the links and additional information Forfarian - I found it all most interesting and has been added to my file.

However, I wonder if you or perhaps another Rootschatter would be able to check up on something for me if they have access to 1881 Census for Craig, Forfar.  I already have a printout from scotlandspeople which states that my g.gran Caroline Johnston (Johnson) was a Railway Labourers Wife living with her children at 3 Usan Road, but as I have mentioned on a previous posting, there was no sign of William.

I was casually browsing Ancestry and looked to see if I could find anything on there.  Ancestry are not allowed to open up the census page, but does show the family living at Usan Rd. Also on the same page is a George Baxter age given as 64 and states that the father of the children is George and a George is also given as the husband to Caroline.  This has blown my mind completely, as there is no mention of this chap on the actual printout that scotlandspeople sent me.  Please can someone help me sort this out - I know for certain that she married William Johnson as I have the marriage certificate and she is shown in 1901 as a widow in Houghton-le-Spring, England with the name of Johnson.
I am beginning to meet myself coming backwards I think !!!
Any help would be more than appreciated.

                                  Doric
Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 4545



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 21 February 08 22:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Doric

Perfect example of Ancestry's transcription being misleading  Roll Eyes

I think George and Caroline have been wrongly linked. If you look at Ancestry's refs:

George Baxter; Household Schedule No. 63; Line 10

Caroline Baxter; Household Schedule No. 64; Line 11

So, whilst the entries are next to each other, they appear to be separate households. Also, whilst the entries for George and Caroline show 2 Usan Road, the rest of the Johnson family (the children) are showing 3 Usan Road. Again, I think this is a mistranscription by Ancesty (you should be able to verify this on the SP index entry).

There is no original image for the 1881 Census in Scotland available on line, all other census years as you know have images available to view on SP but not 1881 (no idea why actually).  Scotlands People only have an index which you already have by the sounds of it.

Regards.

Monica  Smiley
Logged

MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 21 February 08 22:56 GMT (UK) »

Many thanks Monica, trying to find my g.grandad is the hardest thing I have ever attempted and I am afraid that it's a case of 2 forward and 4 back as it were.  When I came across the information that was shown on Ancestry, I think I felt ready to throw the towel in, but now that I have that clarified then I shall keep pushing on.  Again your help was most appreciated.


                                       Doric
Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 4545



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21 February 08 23:04 GMT (UK) »

Doric

I've looked hard for your William in Scotland in the past with no joy sadly. What year do you have for his birth?

Monica

Logged

MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 4545



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21 February 08 23:37 GMT (UK) »

Is this the family's 1871 entry in Rosedale Yorkshire (did William and Caroline marry in 1868 after the birth of some of their children?):

William Johnson 35, foreman at kiln, b. Worksop
Caroline Johnson 31, b. South Shields
John Johnson    5, b. Mordan, Durham
Joseph Johnson    4, b. Rosedale
Margarett Johnson 2, b. Rosedale
Thomas Johnson    9 months, b. Rosedale
Charlotte Johnson 12, sister in law, nurse, b. Spalding, Lincolnshire
Ann Gray 22, visitor, b. Norton Malton, Yorkshire

Children's ages above and order don't quite fit with the 1881 entry (ignoring George  Roll Eyes) in Craig Angus :

Caroline Johnston 36, railway lab. wife, b. South Shields
Margaret Johnston 12, b. Rosedale
Joseph Johnston 11, b. Rosedale
Elizabeth Johnston 7, b. Co. Durham
Thomas Johnston 5, b. Co. Durham
Caroline Johnston 3, b. Ferry- Porton-Craig,
Ann Johnston    2 Mo, b. Craig

Monica
Logged

MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #22 on: Friday 22 February 08 00:05 GMT (UK) »

The only info I have on my g.grandad is that he was born at Worksop, Nottingham c1836.  I found this out by obtaining the marriage certificate for my gran which showed her father as William, I already knew her mum to be Caroline and that she had siblings, one a brother Joseph who I remember my gran saying was born in Rosedale, Yorks and she herself was born in Scotland.   I found the family on 1871 census for Rosedale, which gave me the information about Worksop.  Continuing my search for the marriage of William and Caroline, I found that they  married at Kirkwhelpington, Northumberland in 1863 and William's father shown on the certificate is also William.  It turned out that my gran was born in 1881 in Craig hence my search has continued in that area. but to no avail.  When I found the family in Scotland, they were listed as Johnston, but in England it is Johnson (which is correct)  Basically all I have is a bit in the middle but no beginning or end for William as it were and I would dearly love to know more about him, who his parents were and where he died.  Huh

Anyway, many thanks for taking an interest in my problem, it is very much appreciated.


                       Doric
Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #23 on: Friday 22 February 08 00:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi again Monica,

Yes - that is the family I have.  I am certain it's the right one and the only thing I can think of re the age descrepancies is that Caroline was illitterate, so perhaps she was unable to give the correct info.

                                      Doric

Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 4545



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #24 on: Friday 22 February 08 00:22 GMT (UK) »

A sign of the times Doric.

The only William Johnston (and its variants) that I have been able to find is the one in Worksop England in 1881. He is lodging there, married, age 41 and shows a Worksop birth place. Occupation is gas house labourer....which doesn't connect with anything Cry

Monica
Logged

MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
doric
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119



Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #25 on: Friday 22 February 08 22:19 GMT (UK) »

Many many thanks for your efforts Monica - unsure about the William Johnston in England being a possible, but will keep a note of it on record as you just never know.  My gut feeling still tells me that perhaps my William had died by the 1881 census and the family came back to England shortly after, as on 1901 Census Caroline is recorded as a widow.

Again many thanks.


                             Dorothy
Logged

Schellenberg of Yorkshire/Durham
Westgarth of Durham/Pittington
Johnson of Sunderland/Houghton-le-Spring/Worksop/Yorks/Scotland
Charlton of Hexham and Houghton-le-Spring areas
Brown of Alnwick and Newbottle, Houghton-le-Spring/Chester-le-Street
Hailes of Chester-le-Street
Hope of Chester-le-Street
Ainsley of Willington/Chester-le-Street
Reed of Houghton-le-Spring
Baister of Houghton-le-Spring
Ashman of Houghton-le-Spring area
Wilson of Sunnybrow, Auckland
Wittman of Bradford/Leeds
Pages: 1 [2] Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Free RootsChat Webspace] [Your Surname Interests] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT
0.202:21