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Where is Craig, Ferryden
« on: Sunday 06 February 05 23:25 GMT (UK) »

Can anyone help me locate this place please, and where would a contractor find work there in the late 1870's.  As far as I know my gt. grandfather William Johnson who was born in Worksop, Nottingham married Caroline ? (Brown) (Owens) from South Shields, Co. Durham at Kirk Whelpington in Northumberland in 1868.  Seemingly they moved to Craig in the late 1870's where two of their children, one of them being my grandmother were born.  On the 1881 Census my grandmother's age is shown as 2mths, but no sign of her father William although her mother Caroline is shown as (Wife)  so I presume William was still alive then.  By 1891 the family show up on the Census living in Southwick, Sunderland and by then Caroline is a widow.  Any help on William please !!!!
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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 February 05 02:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Doric,
This might help with your question regarding the location of Craig, Ferryden. The info is from the Scotland Genuki site:

Craig
"A parish situated in the County of Angus, at the discharge of the Southesk into the ocean. It extends along the sea coast about 4 miles, presenting a rocky craig or precipice to the sea; its length is about 6, and its breadth about 2 and a half miles. The surface is elevated about 400 feet above the level if the sea, but is upon the whole flat. The soil is good, producing excellent crops. There are two fishing villages in the parish viz Usan and Ferryden. There is an island in the mouth of the Southesk, called Inchbraick, attached to this parish, through which the new road passes from Arbroath to the bridge of Montrose." (The Gazetteer of Scotland, W Chalmers, Dundee 1803)


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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 February 05 09:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi Meg

Many thanks for your message and for taking the time to help over my little problem.  You have ironed out a few things for me regarding the location of Craig, Ferryden - this also fits in with the l881 census which shows the family living in Usan Rd. Ferryden.  It begs the question what would a contractor want to be in a fishing village for?  Because his name doesn't appear on the 1881 census, I can only presume that his work took him away from home, so now I shall have to go into the census more deeply and find a William Johnson who was born in Worksop, Nottinghamshire.  I have only just started to research this side of the family with very little information to work on apart from the fact that my gran was born in Scotland !!!  With no members of the family left to ask it is proving to be quite a challenge.

Again many thanks for your help.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 February 05 01:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi Dorothy,
Glad I was able to help with the location of Craig.  I hope my response hasn't closed off this thread regarding the rest of your query.  It might be a good idea for you to repost your question with another subject heading.  People might see that your location question was answered, and leave it at that. (I wonder if William changed careers and became a fisherman?)

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 March 07 01:18 GMT (UK) »

Hi
I live fairly close to the area known as Craig. Although there are 2 villages, the largest being ferryden which flourished in response to the herring fishing industry, there are also farms, old coastguard cottages, at least one large estate with castle, large manor houses and, in the past, a school, a few churches and a  mixture of small cottage type industries. Hence there may have been ample scope for building work.

I hope this may help your understanding of the area.
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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 March 07 09:46 GMT (UK) »

Many thanks Scotmaid for taking the interest in my query re Craig, Ferryden.  It is very much appreciated.
Because I have very little information on William Johnson my gt.grandfather, other than that he was born in Worksop, Nottinghamshire and ended up in Craig, Ferryden by 1881 with his family and where my grandmother was born, I haven't been able to make much progress.  With Johnson(ton) being such a common name in Scotland and the very fact that he doesn't appear on the 1881 Census with his family, it's rather like looking for a needle in a haystack.  However, you have rekindled my interest, so thank you for that, I will certainly have another go and see if I can come up with anything, it certainly sounds a lovely interesting place.

Again many thanks.


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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 March 07 10:44 GMT (UK) »

Hi Doric
The 1891 census lists a William Johnson  (could be local registrar spelling of the name) with wife (Margaret, 4 children and a niece) as living at 12 Wharf Street , Montrose.
His occupation is listed as "waterman" and both he and his wife are said to have been born in "England".
This street is the street facing the river which separates Montrose and Ferryden. I'm sure the job of waterman would be an essential one of the time.
If this is your family link they have only moved a mile or so (not good with measuring distance!) from Craig, depending on their location in that area.
Hope this is of use to you.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 March 07 10:49 GMT (UK) »

Hi Doric
My apologies.
I've just reread your post re William and family. I should have reread it before looking at the census as I realise I have a family who are similar, but you have already placed your family in 1891.
Again, apologies for irrelevant information.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 March 07 11:10 GMT (UK) »

No problem Scotmaid, your efforts are very much appreciated I can assure you.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 19:38 GMT (UK) »

Craig,

Just noticed your posting.  I have relatives that came from Craig and then lived in Ferryden by the name of Dakers, my 5th ggrandfather.  He was shown as a Coal Meter in the 1841 census and one of his sons is down as a Shore Porter. 

They are all buried in Rossie Island cemetery.  Rossie Island was literally an island between Craig and Montrose and was very much part of the herring fishing industry, but was joined to the Craig/Ferryden shore line to give more space for the oil rig support industry.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 21:03 GMT (UK) »

Thankyou Brunning for your information which I have added to my file.

Unfortunately I have been able to make very little progress with my Johnson family because I just cannot locate my gt.grandfather William on the 1881 Census.  Previous Census returns show him born in Worksop, Nottinghamshire and as I have mentioned my gran was born in 1881 at Craig, Ferryden and is shown on the Census as 1 month old with mother Caroline and rest of siblings, but no William.  He must have been around  somewhere as Caroline is described as Railway Labourers Wife.  However, by 1891, the family are back in England living at Sunderland and Caroline's status then is shown as Widow, so it begs the question did William die in Scotland and Caroline came back to England with the children, or did he die in Sunderland.  With nothing else to go on and with a name like Johnson, I am finding it  virtually impossible to move forward, but my gut instinct tells me that William may well have died in Scotland as I recall my gran often saying she was born in Scotland but could not relate to anything about her childhood there, so it is a guess that the family came back to England shortly after 1881.  Again impossible to track down a death certificate in England and to be certain of the correct one, as there are so many William Johnsons.  It's like looking for a needle in a haystack !!!

Anyway, thanks for your interest and for taking the time and trouble to make contact with me.  It is most appreciated.

                 Kind regards

                       Dorothy Huh
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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 22:10 GMT (UK) »

Hi Dorothy,

I have been looking at the 1881 census entry for your ggran Caroline and family; it is interesting to note that your gran's sister caroline, aged 3 on the census, was born in Ferr-Port-on-Craig, which according to my 1882 Gazetteer of Scotland is:

"A town and parish in extreme north-east of Fife.  The town stands on Firth of Tay, opposite Broughty Ferry; sprang from an abcient ferry; took the alternative name of Tayport at formation of the edinburgh, Perth and Dundee railway; acquired then extensive harbour works and station buildings for the railway's communication with Broughty Ferry; became afterwards a sea-bathing resort....."

With your ggran being recorded in 1881 census as a railway labourer's wife, this would make some sense.  The Montrose railway had to have 2 bridges made to cross the river from Craig/Ferryport to Rossie island, then from the island to Montrose, so it is very possible that your ggrandad was there to help build the bridges and lay the railway northwards to Aberdeen.  I'm afraid that I don't know when the Dundee/Aberdeen railway was constructed, but the mid to late 1800's saw many railways being made.

Brick walls like you have hit with this line are all too common, I have 3 or 4 erected at the moment! but hey, lots of them come down from the most unexpected bits of information, so don't give up.

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 January 08 12:37 GMT (UK) »

Doric,

Here's a link to wikipedia for some information on the railways round Montrose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundee_and_Arbroath_Railway

As Brunning says, there are 2 bridges out of Montrose going south. The section of track between there and Usan is single track even to this day, as a huge cutting had to be made through solid rock. Perhaps this is what your G-Grandfather worked on.

You could possibly try finding some people that are interested in railway history, and perhaps they might be able to help to approach your quest from this angle.  Just a thought.

Good Luck

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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 January 08 18:58 GMT (UK) »

Thankyou Brunning and Jim for your help and advice, it is beginning to make a little bit of sense to me, as on my gran's marriage certificate of 1901, the occupation of William, her father (deceased) was  given as a Railway Contractor, so with a little bit more effort by following your advice, perhaps that brick wall might not be so high as I had thought.  Thankyou both very much, it is most appreciated. 

                                Dorothy

PS.  Perhaps you might be able to tell me that if g.grandad William was involved with these works, would it have been near enough for him to get to his work or would he have had to board somewhere other than home.  Many thanks.
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Re: Where is Craig, Ferryden
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 January 08 21:12 GMT (UK) »

If William was working on the bridges or the cutting through the rock that I told you about earlier, he would have been within walking distance of Ferryden.

However, if he was working further along the line, either north or south, he may have been accommodated somewhere else.  I'm not sure how the railways were built.  ie,did they have huts/caravan type wagons/tents/boarded out in the locality, or whatever.  You might want to contact a railway historian and see the methods used.  Might give you an idea as to where William might have been at the time of the census.

Another thought has just occurred to me - If William was deceased by 1901, he could possibly have been killed in a railway construction accident.  Maybe not, but another line of inquiry perhaps.

Cheers
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