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Who is Maria's mother?*COMPLETED*
« on: Saturday 13 December 08 19:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi all ...

My GG Grandmother, Maria Wright, was baptised in All Saints Church, Tatterset in 1846. But there's no BMD record for her - at least not under that name (there are BMD records for all the other children born after 1837). Her parents were, according to the baptism record, William Wright (born 1814, Tattersett) and his wife Frances. The birth date of Maria's older brother means that Maria was either two months premature or she was not, in fact, Frances' daughter but that of Frances' eldest daughter Anne Wright (born 1829).

I know where Maria was in 1871 and 1881 (married to my GG Grandfather). However, her whereabouts in the 1861 and 1871 census might provide additional clues as to her real mother.

William's and Frances' children were, in age order, Anne, Elijah, Elizabeth, Marianne, Mary Anne, Henry, Charles, Maria and Charlotte.

Could any nice Christmas Fairy do the 1861 and 1871 lookups for me?

Thanks ... Mike
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:03 UTC (UK) »

I think I found William Wright and Frances in 1861 but no Maria.....but the mother-in-law is with them Mary Allcock aged 70.

and two other children...Ellen age 7 and Laura age 5....born East Rudham.

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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:09 UTC (UK) »

In 1851 William and Frances are in tattersett with Liza 15,
Ann 12
Elijah 10,
Edward 7,
Jeremiah,5
William 3 and Mary 1 mo
Very strange no sign of a maria 1846
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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi all,

1851
HO107/1826 52 9
Tattersett, Norfolk

William Wright, head, 53, Ag lab
Frances, wife, 48
Elijah, son, 20, Ag lab
Hezekiah, son, 17, Ag lab
Jeremiah, son, 15, Ag lab, b. Suvring?  
William, son, 12, Errand Boy
Mary, dau, 10, scholar
Charles, son, 8, scholar
Maria, dau, 5, scholar

All bar Jeremiah born Tattersett

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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:13 UTC (UK) »

1861 - RG9/1245; Folio: 204; Page: 5 - Tatterset

but a bit old ? whoops, this isnt right  Embarrassed

 
Charles Wright 74  Head
Hannah Wright 45 dau unmarried
Maria Wright 17  Grand daughter
Dan Wright 17 
John Wrix 40 son in law
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:14 UTC (UK) »

So it seems there are 2 different William/Frances Wright families in Tattersett?  Huh
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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:19 UTC (UK) »

The family I found in 1861 have the following children

Mary Ann 23
Henry 19
Charles 17
Charlotte 10
Ellen 7
Laura 5


RG9; Piece: 1250; Folio: 121; Page: 14

mab  Undecided

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:23 UTC (UK) »

The Maria I found earlier is still with parents William and Frances in 1861 in Tattersett. Her birth place is now Gatesend. ( RG9/1245 203 4)
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:23 UTC (UK) »

isnt this them in 1861 ?

RG9/1245; Folio: 203; Page: 4 - Tatterset
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William Wright 63  Head Gardener Rudham
Francis Wright 57  Wife Gatesend
Mary Wright 20  dau do
Charles Wright 17  son do
Maria Wright 15  dau Gatesend

Jacob Walker 15  Grandson Gatesend
Elizebeth Walker 12  Granddau Rudham
Rebecca Walker 10  do do


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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:25 UTC (UK) »

Oops sorry my list was 1841 no wonder a child born 1846 wasn't there
Ho107 30  fo 3 p7
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:26 UTC (UK) »

Good Grief - I only went for a cup of coffee!!  Smiley

Loads more children than I thought - this will take some looking into. But I think you're right, Tati - there are two William/Frances couples by the looks of things. Strange for a hamlet with a population of only 160 at the best of times! It's certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons. What does Stephen Fry say? - normal for Norfolk.

Thanks all - you've guaranteed another late night for me.  Cheesy

Mike

Tati - Tattersett and Gatesend are the same place with alternative names.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:35 UTC (UK) »

The reason I chose the family I did because it stated that William was born in Tattersett while the other William was Rudham    Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh


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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi mab ... I think you actually got the right one. But I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I think - either that or the Norfolk Baptism Project have made a few errors. Who would you put your money on?  Wink

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 December 08 22:39 UTC (UK) »

Do you know what Frances' maiden name is....is it Allcock  Huh

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Re: Who is Maria's mother?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 14 December 08 14:08 UTC (UK) »

Well - I'm gobsmacked. It's taken me a few more hours, but here it is ...

There WERE two Wright families with parents called William and Frances. BOTH had sons called Elijah and Charles and daughters using the Mary/Marianne/Mary Anne/Maria formula. BOTH lived at some point in Tattersett and BOTH lived at some time in East Rudham - and, at some point, both at the same time. Thank goodness for birth registrations, because Tattersett registered in Walsingham and East Rudham in Docking - but I still wouldn't have been able to work it out without your census information which puts the correct children in the appropriate households. I'd managed to get them hopelessly intermixed.

There's little doubt that the two families were closely related, but I'm now sure that my direct ancestors are the William and Frances found by Trees and Tati in 1841 and 1851. Edward, incidentally, was baptised Hezekiah, which ties in nicely with Elijah and Jeremiah.

And, having taken out the children who belonged to the other family, it means that there's no longer a mathematical question about who Maria's mother was - it was Frances.

The moral, I suppose - be very, very wary of family naming traditions. Now I'm going to take a couple of aspirin.

Mike

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