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Topic: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather (Read 3119 times)
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skyblueFF
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Michael,
The IGI baptism record of Gustav Paul Heise (pronounced incidentally Gustaf Powel Hyz-uh) names his parents as
Julius Heinrich Heise and Wilhelmine Bertha nee Gollax
The surname Gollax appears to have been very unusual. I could only find one mention in a town formerly known as Landsberg an der Warthe = Gorzów Wielkopolski in modern western Poland.
This all ties in geographically with Julius being born in Berlin. The Berlin Address Book of 1835 records several Heise families.
Justin
Thanks Justin we must have been diong this at the same time. I tried to find his bro. ernest but without success. Must get on with some work now!
Michael
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HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS, Liverpool
GORE, Liverpool CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool
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williamscdr
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Useful to understand the history of where the IGI Gustav Heise was born:
11 OCT 1874 Sankt Trinitatis, Danzig Stadt, Westpreussen, Preussen
West Prussia was a province of the Kingdom of Prussia 1773–1824 and 1878–1919/20 which was created out of the earlier Polish province of Royal Prussia.
After Germany was defeated in 1918, in February 1920 it handed over West Prussia's central parts to become the so-called Polish Corridor and the Free City of Danzig.
Following conquest by the Soviet Army in the early months of 1945, German-speaking citizens of the former Free City of Danzig were killed and expelled, and the city was put under Polish administration under its traditional Polish name, Gdansk, and Polish people were brought in as replacement.
So Polish connectiions should not be surprise, though we have yet to confirm that the IGI entry for Gustav P Heise is or is likely to be our man.
David
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williamscdr
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I wonder:
During World War I the British government interned male citizens of the Central Powers, principally Germany, Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey. They were held mainly in internment camps close to Peel, and a smaller one near Douglas.
http://www.gov.im/mnh/heritage/library/bibliographies/internment.xml
shows what records are available. But ...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SUSSEX-PLUS/2001-08/0996904696
(Extract of non-copyright site):
"Very few records of individual internees survive for the First World War.
Specimen lists of German subjects interned as prisoners of war in 1915 and
1916 can be found in WO 900/45 and WO 900/46 and a classified list of
interned enemy aliens can be found in HO 144/11720/364868 , a facsimile copy
of which is available in the reading rooms at the PRO. Nominal rolls of male
enemy aliens of the age of 45 and upwards, submitted to the Secretary of
State by commandants of internment camps, are included among a census of
aliens in the United Kingdom from 1915 to 1924 in HO 45/11522/287235 .
References to individual internees can also be found among the card index to
the Foreign Office general correspondence in the PRO. Any reference found on
a card needs to be turned into a modern PRO reference. Not all files have
survived".
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williamscdr
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Could be something could be nothing, but the age and date of arrival tally with DOBish, might explain where he had been:
Gustav Heise aged 50 / Locksmith
Birth: Germany
Depature port: Corral Chile
ports of voyage
Corral, Valparaiso, Callao, Puerto Chicama, Guayaquil, Buenaventura, Crist=Bal and Curacao
Arrived Liverpool 11 June 1936
Name of Ship Boskoop
Shipping Line Royal Netherlands Steamship Company Ltd
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williamscdr
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Now if Gustav's father was Julius (connecting with the Berlin Birth) then this is interesting:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/ForestHill/FHC31.html
Fortest Hill Cemetry, Chautauqua County, New York State
Name Birth
(Residence) Death
(Residence) Father
Mother Spouse Secn/Lot
Interment Notes
Heise, Herman Julius 8/06/1863 (Berlin, Germany)
7/24/1937 (Dunkirk, NY) Geo Heise
AA/185
7/26/1937
So maybe Gustav emigrated to Bitain with his parents, who then moved to the US and Gustav remained and married. this is speculation and needs supporting evidence.
David
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skyblueFF
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Could be something could be nothing, but the age and date of arrival tally with DOBish, might explain where he had been:
Gustav Heise aged 50 / Locksmith
Birth: Germany
Depature port: Corral Chile
ports of voyage
Corral, Valparaiso, Callao, Puerto Chicama, Guayaquil, Buenaventura, Crist=Bal and Curacao
Arrived Liverpool 11 June 1936
Name of Ship Boskoop
Shipping Line Royal Netherlands Steamship Company Ltd
That's not him because he was born in 1874 according to the IGI record.On his marriage certificate and the childrens birth certificates he is a hairdresser.
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HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS, Liverpool
GORE, Liverpool CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool
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JustinL
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Michael,
I really think your next step has to be to order the file on Sarah Jane Heise from the National Archives.
Justin
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williamscdr
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Could be something could be nothing, but the age and date of arrival tally with DOBish, might explain where he had been:
Gustav Heise aged 50 / Locksmith
Birth: Germany
Depature port: Corral Chile
ports of voyage
Corral, Valparaiso, Callao, Puerto Chicama, Guayaquil, Buenaventura, Crist=Bal and Curacao
Arrived Liverpool 11 June 1936
Name of Ship Boskoop
Shipping Line Royal Netherlands Steamship Company Ltd
That's not him because he was born in 1874 according to the IGI record.On his marriage certificate and the childrens birth certificates he is a hairdresser.
I know that it doesn't seem to fit exactly, but don't dismiss it out right; let the evidence exist and see what else builds.
I quite like the idea of a translator misinterpretting hairdresser (ie Gustav's occupation) for locksmith - but then I like crosswords.
 
David
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williamscdr
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My gut feeling is that WWI and anti German feeling almost certainly accounts ofr Gustav's 'disappearance' be that via internment, deportation, emigration or change of nationality. Each will have a paper trail some stronger than others.
It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he went back to Germany and fought for them and perhaps didn't survive the conflict, or even fought for the Allies?
Just thoughts - which you have probably already had yourself
David
Post Script: Have just re-read your orginal post and note the birth of an off-spring in 1921 which de-bunks the theory of death in WWI; hoever, there is a record of a death of a Gustav Heise in WWI at:
http://www.findmypast.com/MilitarySearchCountServlet
Which I am unable to access not having a subsricption - any kind sol who would do this ......?
No mention on:
http://www.cwgc.org/
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carol8353
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My two gorgeous grandsons at Xmas 2009
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Post Script: Have just re-read your orginal post and note the birth of an off-spring in 1921 which de-bunks the theory of death in WWI; hoever, there is a record of a death of a Gustav Heise in WWI at: http://www.findmypast.com/MilitarySearchCountServletWhich I am unable to access not having a subsricption - any kind sol who would do this ......?
The one mentioned above is Private William Gustave HEISE
He was in the London Regiment 10th (County of London) Battalion (Hackney).
born in Leytonstone, enlisted in Hackney, lived in Stoke Newington .
died 28 December 1915 At sea.
Regards
Carol
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trish1120
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Hi All,
Just a suggestion.
If Sarah died as widow of Heise under the name Paul in 1954, and Julius the son died of syphilis 1904 , then one would presume that Gustav was the one that passed it on to his son. As this is a horrible disease he probably died in a hospital/asylum., and could have been in and out of one for years.
Possible death;
Gustav PAUL aged 42, Edmonton 3a 371
OOPS in 1904
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williamscdr
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Dec Quarter 1900 – Kensington 1a 362 Lists these marriages:
Hanley Esther
Heise Ernst
Heise Karl Willy E
Henbrey Ella Frances
Leyland William Robert
Who is Karl Willy? 
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