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ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« on: Tuesday 16 December 08 11:01 UTC (UK) »



Welcome to this weeks Hunt and it's Chinas turn.   She's tried to give you an easy one this time, but.................!!!

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

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Hi, all…let’s try something different this time. Like a Hunt with results, perhaps

William Henry Addison, my g-g-grandfather, was born in New Brunswick in 1812. This is fairly early for NB, as it was split off from Nova Scotia in 1785 as a refuge for United Empire Loyalists. These Loyalists were people who had sided with Britain in the recent American War of Independence and were forced out of the American colonies.

No, don’t stop reading! 

The 1851 Canadian census records William living in Saint John, NB, with his wife Jane. They had 7 children at this time, the oldest born about 1838. Jane’s place of birth was England, and she immigrated in 1837, according to the census.

I couldn’t find a marriage in New Brunswick, as there was no civil registration there at the time…backward colonials…

Then, RC’s adee7 found a marriage of a William Henry Addison to a Jane Cartmel in 1836 (IGI). In Liverpool! I’d never have thought of looking there.

Well, William was a ship’s block & tackle maker. I found a later newspaper reference to him as a ship’s carpenter.

I also found numerous listings of Saint John ships in Liverpool, loading and unloading cargo. Apparently sea traffic between those two ports was heavy and there were more sailings from Liverpool to Saint John than to any other Canadian port. So, I think it’s entirely possible that William found a bride in Liverpool, married her, and she followed him to NB the following year.

I also found the marriage allegation. William is listed as being “of this parish” (St Peter’s, Liverpool)…however, he only had to have resided there for 15 days. They were married by license, not by banns, and according to the current Church of England website, this method is still recommended if one partner in the marriage is from a foreign country.

There wasn’t any personal information on the marriage allegation. However, there was one priceless little tidbit on it…William’s actual signature.

Jane Addison died in 1875 at the age of 60. There was a newspaper notice. No death certificate, as NB still didn’t require any civil documentation. How inconsiderate 

Two years later in 1877, William married again. There was a marriage bond, of which I have a copy. Again, William’s actual signature is on it. The co-signer of the bond was the father of the bride-to-be, and he signed with a mark.

William is listed in the 1881 Canadian census, living with his new wife Eleanor and their 3 children. Apparently he fathered one more child before he died in 1885. He is still listed as a block & tackle maker.

William’s signatures of 1836 and 1877 are not identical. However, they are similar. 41 years of working with the hands, cold, wet, arthritis and no available anti-inflammatory medication are bound to have an effect on anybody’s signature. I have identified 23 points of similarity between the two signatures…although there is no definitive number it’s about double what seems to be considered indicative of common authorship of two signatures.

So…the puzzle: Are the William Henry Addison of 1836 and the William Henry Addison of 1877 the same person? Is Jane Cartmel of Liverpool my g-g-grandmother? Who are her parents, and where did they come from? Can we trace her family back to the Domesday Book? Just kidding   Maybe… 

If you’re still reading, I salute you, brave soul 

Some ancillary notes:

1.   There is a Saint John, New Brunswick and also a St. John’s, Newfoundland. They are not the same, and this is how each of them is written. St. John’s is probably more famous, but it ain’t the right place 

2.   Wouldn’t it be nice to have 1861 and 1871 Canadian censuses between 1851 and 1881? Dream on. There weren’t any 

3.   There are no William-and-Jane Addisons in the English census of 1841, 1851 or 1861 in Lancashire. No children born to William and Jane Addison anywhere in England between 1836 and 1841 except somewhere near Whitley Bay (IGI, I think). It’s almost as if William and Jane were…elsewhere…  Yes, I know this is a dangerous way to do genealogy, but the argument from silence does have a place.

4.   I have been on the phone to the New Brunswick archives people…very friendly and helpful. However, they did confirm that there are no civil records.   William did not leave a will.

So…the bottom line: I am fairly convinced that my William Henry Addison married Jane Cartmel of Liverpool. I would like to trace her family. Yes, I could do it myself using the IGI, but I’d like to see what else turns up. Over to you, gang 

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Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
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Grundy In Bolton
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Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 11:15 UTC (UK) »

 Cheesy goodlye morne.. 
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 11:28 UTC (UK) »

Jane Bapt...

P007154 Lancs St Peter Bolton le moors
1/1/1815 to Hy & Margt Cartnell

P020271 Lancs St Peter L'pool
14/11/1814 to John Cartmel & Rosa

Marriage... pic (posted in case)  Wink
M007151 St Peter B le M  Jane Cartmel & Thomas Nicholson 10/7/1814
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 11:39 UTC (UK) »




You've beaten Toni this week Lesanne.......    Grin Grin
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Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 11:49 UTC (UK) »

i'm here too will read while i drink my coffee (decaff) 
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 12:18 UTC (UK) »

Possible....  Undecided
1841
HO107 497 48 10
Lytham Lancs

Richardc1786 & Jenny
William 22
Jenny 25

I'm posting this because osp is Nich? (Nicholas poss) & Gracie with lots of children. One is a Jane 14yrs...  Huh   
So are Richard and Nick bros and did Rich have a daughter Jane as well  Undecided  Cheesy

Hmmmm... off to get some presi's. BL

Added...  John & Rosa, Henry & Margt....  Vamooshed.... Huh  Huh


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Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 13:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi China,

There is the following in the 1871 St. John Directory

William Addison
St. John, Newbrunswick
Occupation:  Blockmaker

He is also listed as a blockmaker in the 1865 St. John NB Directory.


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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 13:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi all

I am here too .... Cheesy

China, what were the names of William Henry and Jane Addison's children ? They may possibly help to identify Jane's family.

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Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 13:19 UTC (UK) »

There are census available on microfilm for NB in 1871 according to Library and Archives Canada


St. John (City) St. John County New Brunswick

1861   C-1005   
   C-1005   Albert (Ward)

1871   C-10372 - C-10374   
   C-10374   Albert (Ward)
   C-10374   Brook's (Ward)
   C-10373   Duke (Ward)
   C-10374   Guy's (Ward)
   C-10373   King's (Ward)
   C-10372   Prince (Ward)
   C-10373   Queen's (Ward)
   C-10373 - C-10374   Sydney (Ward)
   C-10372 - C-10373   Wellington (Ward

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-microfilm-1666-1901/index-e.html


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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 15:17 UTC (UK) »

http://automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/View.jsp?id=8099&highlight=26&desc=1851+Census+of+New+Brunswick+page+containing+Wm+Henry+Addison

Link to 1851 census with the children............  Cheesy

    Embarrassed Sooooorry its a bit long..........  Embarrassed
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 15:58 UTC (UK) »

Morning all, just coming on line here in ye magickal lande to ye weste...ye frozen lande (-10F)...

These are William and Jane's children, from the 1851:

Addison   Wm Henry    Head   39 (1812)   blockmaker   native born
Addison   Jane       Wife   36 (1815)        English          imm 1837
Addison   Edward       son   13 (1838)         native born
Addison   Rachel       dau   10 (1841)                “
Addison   Wm John       son   8   (1843)             “
Addison   Mary Isabella  dau    6   (1845)          “
Addison   Th’s Drysdale  son    4   (1847)           “
Addison   Sarah Jane   dau   2   (1849)             “
Addison   Marg’t Ann    dau   2 mo                     “
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Jenkins~Somerset
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 16:02 UTC (UK) »

Morning China,
Have you found why the Drysdale for son Tom  Huh  Roll Eyes

There is an Edward on his own....  Undecided Have to re look for him..  Undecided
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Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 17:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Everyone Kiss
I found this  :
William Henry Addison born 1812 Oban Argyleshire Scotland
Died -  10th July 1882  Port Perry  Ontario Canada
aged 70 yrs 10mths


i am abit rusty at this lol not been on much need to get back in the swing of things so can anyone give me a clue what to look for ?
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TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells

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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 17:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesanne, no and I did look for maybe a Drysdale maiden name, but it was before I found the Cartmel marriage. Odd that if it was a maiden or maternal maiden name that they should wait until the 3rd son to apply it....

I'm thinking it has to be the Jane Cartmel who was christened at St Peter Liverpool, daughter of John Cartmel and Rosa. The Bolton one is 25 miles distant.

There is a Liverpool newspaper reference to a John Cartmel as a purveyor of waterproof clothing and equipment, including macintoshes, in Lord St, Liverpool....about 300 yds from the docks.

Hi Karen, I had found the directory listings, thanks, but not the 1871 census. I'm looking at how I can get a copy of it...the LAC site is unclear on that so far...
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Moore/Paterson~Montreal
Jubb/Kerr~Mirfield~Halifax~Moffatt
Williams~Dolwyddelan

King~Bedfordshire~Hull
Jenkins~Somerset
Sellers~Hull
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Re: ChinaKays Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone welcome to join in.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 17:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi tiggi...thanks, I found that Wm Henry but it's deffo not the right guy...my Wm Henry lived and died in Saint John...

http://www.rootschat.com/links/053h/
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