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youngman!
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Hi Andrea, Hi aelf,
It took me a bit by suprise when I saw aelf's posting and your reply. I have tried to prove one of the original findings that Walter Gatford and Bett Picknell are the same couple as Walter and Elizabeth Gatford
Baptism at Holy Trinity Cuckfield
Walter son of Walter and Mary Gatford 18 Aug 1768. S Warneford Curate
Presumably that is Mary, widow, who is buried in 1810 age 71 and ties in nicely with the marriage to Mary Bently.
I am convinced that Bett and Elizabeth are the same person. There are several Picknell/Picknall entries but I have not found her yet.
Andrea
However, all I have managed is to find is one of the children's deaths in the SFHG database records with help from kerryb and swebby.
The child was Friend Gatford.
Here i another Gatford burial, I am adding this one as the father is Walter and may have a bearing on your research.
Friend Gatford - Age 8 - 23 Dec 1805 Cuckfield s Walter
Regards
Sean
In response to the John Gatford and Ann Lee query I believe there are two Ann Wells - one born in 1789 Slaugham who died 14.8.1857 Slaugham (living with son at 1851 census). The second one is born 1761or 1762 Slaugham and died 29.11.1819 Slaugham. She married John Gatford born/christened? 17.4.1758. His father was John Gatford christened 17.7.1715 in Slaugham (will proved in 1790) who married 14.1.1751 a Sarah Ware who died 1.11.1755 in Slaugham. I then have a complete Gatford line back to the 15 hundreds.
But unfortunately none of this helps my research but you would be very welcome to all I have on the John's and the Ann's!!
Regards,
Merv
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aelf
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Hi Merv,
Yes it's frustrating that I can't join John and Walter of Cuckfield, neither to each other, nor to the Slaugham Gatfords.
I can't imagine they were unrelated, but there just seem to be too many Johns floating around without apparently touching. The Slaugham family was clearly climbing up the social scale from warreners to gentry by Victorian times. Then there's John "Gadford" baptised 12 June 1764 in Bolney - if he's the one who married Ann Lee he's the wrong one to die aged 74 in 1830.
I have come across Friend as a surname in the Sussex records from time to time - that may be why it was used as a forename for Walter Gatford's child.
Have you come across the John Gatford who was at the battle of Blenheim? He was from Steyning but his will shows that he was a friend of the Sergison family in the Cuckfield/Slaugham area.
Regards,
Larry
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aelf
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Years ago I think I saw Syno/Lyno transcribed as Lyne - it look a bit like Byne when I skimmed the PR but I'd be delighted to be wrong.
If it is Lionel it can't be the Lyonell son of Lyonell and Anne Langford who was baptised 17 June 1660 in Cuckfield because he was buried 3 June 1661, though he could be the Lionel son of John who was baptised 16 October 1665 in Slaugham
Lyonell Gatford senior of Cuckfield appears to have divided his time between Cuckfield and Steyning; I'm 99% sure he's the same person who was baptised 24 March 1630/1 in Steyning, son of John. Lionel Gatford (various spellings), saddler appears in Cuckfield c1660 and Steyning a bit later. He was made Quartemaster to William Strase's troop of horse in 1673 but was dead by 1682 when his only son, John, mortgaged his proerty in Steyning. This was presumably the same John Gatford saddler of Steyning who made his will in 1704 when he became a Lieutenant in the First Carboneers; he left £40 a year to his aunt Elizabeth wife of Thomas Divall and named John Warden of Cuckfield as an executor. He was at Blenheim and died in 1711 probably of wounds received when the French recaptured the fortress of Arleux in Flanders.
All these Lionels parallel the careers of two clergymen named Lionel Gatford, father and son, and were surely the reason for the name becoming popular in the family. The elder Lionel "of Sussex" was the founder of the library of Jesus College, Cambridge around 1630 and was arrested in 1642 by Oliver Cromwell in person. His son grew up in East Anglia and finished up as Treasurer of St Pauls' around the time its rebuilding was finished. Intriguingly he leaves money in his will (1715) to a godson named Lionel Deviel, who may have been the son of of Thomas and Elizabeth - all very frustrating. There are other hints to tie these 2 clergy to the Sussex families but they are too faint to rely on yet. There's even the remote possibility that the second Rev Lionel had a son named Robert who was captured by pirates!
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I'm forever hopeful for answers !!!!