|
Pages: [1] 2
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: streeter morris newman (Read 909 times)
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I am looking for any information on Streeter Morris Newman, abt 1843. in a place called Hooe? I do not have a birth/baptism date for him or a death date. He also had a son by the same name. He married Amelia Pearson in 1865 in West Hartlepool.
Thanks,
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
willow2670
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 4268
|
1851 census HO107/1635 Folio 20
John Newman Head 38 b Brightling, Sussex Farm labourer
Harriet Newman Wife 37 b Brighton, Sussex
Frances Charity Newman Dau 18 unm b Guestling, Sussex
George Newman Son 12 b Guestling, Sussex
Thomas Newman Son 10 b Hooe, Sussex
Streeter Newman Son 8 b Hooe, Sussex
Elizabeth Newman Dau 6 b Hooe, Sussex
John William Newman Son 2 b Fairlight, Sussex
Eliza Morris Visitor 20 unm b Winchelsea, Sussex Dressmaker
Cottage at Lush?? Hill??, Guestling, Sussex
Sue
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
All Census Lookups are are Crown Copyright, National Archives
|
|
|
|
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thanks for the information from both of you. I will look up the census record.
When I looked up the index for Streeter, it only gave his son's birth date, not the fathers.
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Eyesee
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 2699
|
Found this on the Sussex Marriage Index
Guestling, East Sussex, 15 Mar 1834
Harriet MORRIS
John Newman RIGGLESFORD
1881
6 Cambridge Rd, Holy Trinity, Hastings
Thomas RICKLESFORD, head mar 40, Carman, born Hooe, Sussex
Kate RICKLESFORD, wife mar 41, Lodging house keeper, born Icklesham, Sussex
Streeter M NEWMAN, nephew s 12, Scholar, born Hartlepool
+ a couple of servants
RG11/1026/F67/P51
Thomas Newman RICKLESFORD married Catherine LEADBETTER, Mar qtr 1864, Hastings, 2b 47. This is the Thomas NEWMAN aged 10 in 1851, brother to Streeter.
1871
58 Stonefield Rd, St Mary in the Castle, Hastings
James SELLINS, head mar 37, Carman, born Sussex, Westfield
Frances C SELLINS, wife mar 35, born Sussex, Guestling
Thomas J SELLINS, son 9, Scholar, born Sussex, Westfield
Elizabeth I SELLINS, dau 6, born ditto
William J SELLINS, son 3, born Sussex, Hastings
Carlos SELLINS, son 10mo, born ditto
same address
John NEWMAN, head mar 58, Warehouseman, born Sussex, Brightling
next page
Harriet NEWMAN, wife mar 57, born Sussex, Brighton
Martha M NEWMAN, dau 15, Dressmaker, born Sussex, Westfield
Streeter MORRIS, father wid 82, labourer, born Sussex, Fairlight
RG10/1031/F27/P46 & 47
Streeter is Harriet's father not John's I would think.
Frances Charity Newman RIGGLESFORD married James SELLENS, Dec qtr 1859, Battle, 2b 93
Looks like somewhere along the line some of the family have dropped the RIGGLESFORD name off the end and used NEWMAN as the surname.
1841
Martins, Hooe, Sussex
John NEWMAN, 25, Ag lab
Harriet NEWMAN, 25
Frances NEWMAN, 5
George NEWMAN, 2
Thomas NEWMAN, 6mo
same address
Streeter MORRIS, 50, Ag lab
Frances NEWMAN, 45
All born in county
HO107/1109/B2/D11/F12/P18
Streeter MORRIS bapt 8 Jan 1788, Guestling, s/o Thomas and Ann - IGI submitted entry.
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Mountfield, East Sussex, 22 Nov 1813
Frances RIGGLESFORD
Elias NEWMAN
Might be the Frances NEWMAN with Streeter MORRIS in 1841.
No connection. Frances and Elias are in Hellingly in 1841, 1851 and 1861.
Ian C
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
|
|
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thanks Ian,
so how did you figure out that their last name was once Ricklesford/Rigglesford? Is this Sussex index available to everyone?this is great information. Thanks.
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Eyesee
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 2699
|
Streeter born 1869 was with his uncle Thomas in 1881, who was Thomas NEWMAN/Thomas Newman RICKLESFORD, who married using the full name. John and Harriet's daughter Frances also married using the RIGGLESFORD name.
I thought Harriet's maiden name might have been MORRIS. Could not find a John NEWMAN marriage on the SMI but did find a Harriet MORRIS.
I am picking that John may have been born out of wedlock, and that his mother was a RIGGLESFORD. Quite often in those cases the fathers surname is given as a second name, in this case NEWMAN, hence John Newman Rigglesford. It became recognised that his fathers name was NEWMAN, and so the RIGGLESFORD was dropped.
The SMI can be purchased from the SFHG, link in the Sussex Resources page.
If you can get access to the Brightling PRs you might find his baptism to confirm this one way or the other.
See that Harriet's death was registered Jun qtr 1875 as Harriet Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 61, and John's Dec qtr 1877 as John Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 64.
Ian C
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
|
|
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I am in awe.. thanks..
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Eyesee
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 2699
|
Looks like John might have married again in 1876 after Harriet died as well.
Ian C
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
|
|
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
where did you find this information? I am in contact with John's direct relation and I wonder if she knows this..
thanks.
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Eyesee
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 2699
|
On FreeBMD there is a John Newman RIGELSFORD marriage in 1876.
Ian C
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
|
|
|
censusmick
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 27
|
References are acknowledged as from the G.R.O. Indexes that used to be up the FRC in London.
Possible acknowledgements, also, are for the ONS from where the info originated ?
Dear Kathy
A colleague in the NNS abstracted this some years ago ( but not related )
MARINE DEATHS 1837-1965
Streeter Morris Newman Age 35 Ship = Rosegrove Year 1903 Page 200
Computed Birth year = 1868
No other info supplied - hope the above may be of some help ?
In the 'ordinary' BDM : under the NEWMAN surname -
Look-ups are acknowledged as from the excellent FreeBDM site ( long may they transcribe )
Streeter Morris - Birth 1841-Q3 @ Hailsham SSX
Streeter Morris - Marriage 1865-Q2 @ Hartlepool DUR
Streeter - Birth 1868-Q4 @ Hartlepool DUR
Streeter Morris - Marriage 1898-Q3 @ Hampstead MDX
Found using STREETER as the MOTHERS Maiden Name who married a NEWMAN :
Look-ups are acknowledged as from the excellent FreeBDM site ( long may they transcribe )
Frederick 1859-Q2-Birth Horsham
Esther 1860-Q4-Birth Horsham
Mabel 1867-Q1-Birth Horsham
Richard E 1918-Q4-Birth Mile End
Harold E 1921-Q1-Birth Mile End
Leslie C 1922-Q4-Birth Poplar
Mick - a small, worn down, cog in the Newman Name Society (NNS) ( OK, its a plug !! )
Always looking for Newman info to populate our (NNS) data-base !!
"Staying single - like my Father and his Father before him .... "
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Stovepipe
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 680
Daddy Stovepipe
|
Always looking for Newman info to populate our (NNS) data-base !!
I have some - if your database covers India and has the info I'd be grateful for details of the children's births and their father's death.
Charles Henry NEWMAN, born 1871, Duncton, SSX
- married Elizabeth FIELD, E. Preston, Q3 1895
- died c. 1900, India?
Charles NEWMAN, born c. 1899, Mhow, India
Thomas NEWMAN, born c. 1900, Nasirabad, India
The children's mother is back in Sussex, a widow, in 1901. See RG13/962/137/32.
Cheers,
Stovepipe
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
diroka
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 30
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Thanks for all of the info on Streeter. Interesting family, to be sure... At least with somewhat unusual names it is easier to find any information if it's out there. Marine deaths... does that mean that he died while on board or just died and was still a mariner or whatever his occupation was?
Thanks.
Kathy
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
censusmick
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 27
|
Kathy, sorry, not sure as to the meaning of Marine Deaths,
as you will see from my reply to 'stovepipe' below.
Apologies if I have Hijacked your thread
Mick
The following are acknowledged as originating from the G.R.O. indexes that were originally
located at St. Katherines House and later at the Family Records Centre in London, now at Kew ?.
I believe that the 'umbrella' department is the O.N.S.
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Hi Stovepipe,
One of our N.N.S.lady members transcribed a lot of the Newman entries in
the G.R.O. 'Miscellaneous' Indexes some years ago.
( Newmans only - ? indicates a bad page image - typed characters filling in !! )
==========================================================================
Army Returns - Register of Births - Land Forces - Serving out of the UK.
Charles Frederick - Nasirabad - (Year) 1898 - (Page) 401?
Thomas Henry - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Page) 431 ?
==========================================================================
Regimental Births - 1761-1924 - Army Births & Baptisms
Charles F - Nasirabad - (Year) 1898 - (Regiment) 7th - (Volume) 884 ? - (Page) 69 ?
Thomas H - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Regiment) 7th - (Volume) 884 ? - (Page) 69 ?
==========================================================================
Army Returns - Register of Deaths - Land Forces - Serving out of the UK.
Charles (Age) 33 - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Page) 420
==========================================================================
I know that your next question will be 'how do I get the certificates'.
I'm sorry but I don't know - I just have these basic facts,
( sounds like that old B/W police show Dragnet (?) "just the facts maam ..." ).
This will need another query to the RootsChat members for this info.
I shall be looking at the answers myself as I have a Newman 'rellie'
that is in the indexes for 1914 when H.M.S. Pathfinder was lost in WW1.
With regards to the Marriage mentioned ie 1895 Q3 East Preston SSX,
do you have the certificate ?, what is the name / occupation of Charles father ?
I only ask due to the difference in the age of Charles at death,( 33 cby 1866 ? )
assuming that the Charles death in Nasirabad is your Charles ?.
The Charles Henry b 1871-Q4 (Petworth RD) is in the 1881 Census (Petworth RD)
with his parents Charles and Rachel Newman ( nee HEDGER ? ) - Charles a carpenter.
Hope the above will be of some help ? Mick
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2
|
|
|
|
|
