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Stovepipe
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Many thanks, Mick - that's great information.
Sorry I can't help with certificates - the Newman connection is a fairly remote twig on my tree and my budget doesn't run that far. All my information comes from the FreeBMD indices and the 1901 census page where Elizabeth Newman is a widow with two children born in India. I merely guessed the birth registered in Petworth was that of her husband because the age was about the same as Elizabeth's and the middle name Henry matched that of the Charles Newman on her page of the marriage register. But Charles' age at death does throw some doubt on that. Can the Petworth born Charles Henry Newman be positively identified alive anywhere in the 1901 census? There's a 33-year-old with no middle name born Kirdford - the other side of Petworth from Duncton, so not a good match with the 1881 census.
Good luck with your N.N.S.!
Regards,
Stovepipe
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bobrob
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Kathy
I have information on the marriage and familyof Frances Rigglesford and Elias Newman parents of John Newman Rigglesford
Bob Rigarlsford
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censusmick
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Hi stovepipe,
The lady who supplied the previous information has sent
another letter to me with the following extra information.
( she is not on the Internet )
Bombay baptisms :
1898 June 21st ( bn 1898 June 8th ) St Pauls - Nasirabad
Charles Frederick NEWMAN
son of Charles Henry and Elizabeth of Nasirabad
Sergt 1st Royal Fusiliers - N/3/79/228
1899 December 23rd ( bn 1899 November 30th ) St Pauls - Nasirabad
Thomas Henry NEWMAN
son of Charles and Elizabeth of Nasirabad
Sergt 1st Royal Fusiliers - N/3/82/307
Bombay burial :
1899 December 5th ( d December 4th )
Charles NEWMAN age 32
Sergt 1st Royal Fusiliers
Valvular disease of the heart
Nasirabad - N/3/82/411
( So he never got the chance to see his second son ! - sad )
Hope the information is new and of use to you ?
I know you have 'put off' obtaining that wedding certificate,
but have you thought about the Attestation papers for when he
joined the Army ? - just a thought for the future !!
Cheers Mick Newman
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Stovepipe
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Daddy Stovepipe
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Many thanks, Mick - that's great information. Please convey my gratitude to your correspondent, too.
Hadn't thought about the attestation papers - that should resolve the issue of Charles Henry's identity, but my money's on him being the chap born in Duncton. I'll let you know if I ever find out for sure.
I understand Nasirabad is quite some distance from Bombay - is that why Charles never saw his son? I.e. son born in Nasirabad while father had just a few days to live in Bombay.
Thanks again,
Stovepipe
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bogroll
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FRANCES RIGGLESFORD bap. APRIL 5TH 1795 BRIGHTLING
MARRIED ELIAS NEWMAN NOV.22ND 1813 MOUNTFIELD
son JOHN NEWMAN RIGGLESFORD(FARM BAILIFF) bap. AUG 25TH 1813 BRIGHTLING
d.1877 HASTINGS
MARRIED TO HARRIET MORRIS b. 1814 BRIGHTLING d. 1875 HASTINGS
CHILDREN: FRANCES CHARITY NEWMAN RIGGLESFORD b. 1836
m.1859 to JAMES SELLENS
GEORGE NEWMAN RIGGLESFORD b. 1839 GUESTLING
m.1864 RYE to CAROLINE MONK b.1833 d.1906
children: LOUISA KATE NEWMAN RIGGLESFORD b.1866
ANNIE M. NEWMAN b.1868
ALICE NEWMAN b.1871
EMILY HARRIET N.RIGGLESFORD b.1873 d.1933
FLORENCE SARAH N. RIGGLESFORD b.1877
died as GEORGE NEWMAN RIGELSFORD d. 1906 HASTINGS
THOMAS NEWMAN RIGGLESFORD b. 1840 HOOE
m.1864 to CATHERINE LEADBETTER b.1840 ICKLESHAM d. 1906 HASTINGS
remarried 1907 to ANNIE ELIZABETH HARMAN d.1923 BATTLE
died as THOMAS NEWMAN RICKLESFORD d.1911 HASTINGS
STREETER MORRIS NEWMAN b. 1843 HOOE
m. 1865 HARTLEPOOLS to AMELIA PEARSON
1871 census shows STREETER 28,master mariner
AMELIA 25,
JOHN D 5,
STREETER 2,
ELIZABETH NEWMAN b.1845 HOOE
JOHN WILLIAM NEWMAN b. 1849 FAIRLIGHT
MARTHA MATILDA NEWMAN RICKLESFORD b. 1855 WESTFIELD
m.1873 to RICHARD WHITE
1881 census shows them living at 10,PARADISE STREET MIDDX.
Daughter ELIZA 5,living with Aunt FRANCES CHARITY
1901 census in HACKNEY
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allibaker
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Streeter born 1869 was with his uncle Thomas in 1881, who was Thomas NEWMAN/Thomas Newman RICKLESFORD, who married using the full name. John and Harriet's daughter Frances also married using the RIGGLESFORD name.
I thought Harriet's maiden name might have been MORRIS. Could not find a John NEWMAN marriage on the SMI but did find a Harriet MORRIS.
I am picking that John may have been born out of wedlock, and that his mother was a RIGGLESFORD. Quite often in those cases the fathers surname is given as a second name, in this case NEWMAN, hence John Newman Rigglesford. It became recognised that his fathers name was NEWMAN, and so the RIGGLESFORD was dropped.
The SMI can be purchased from the SFHG, link in the Sussex Resources page.
If you can get access to the Brightling PRs you might find his baptism to confirm this one way or the other.
See that Harriet's death was registered Jun qtr 1875 as Harriet Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 61, and John's Dec qtr 1877 as John Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 64.
Ian C
don't know if this helps at all?
john newman rigglesford baptised 25th april 1813 brightling sussex .mothers name listed as frances rigglesford no father listed.
regards
alli
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Eyesee
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Probably means the marriage I crossed out earlier between Frances and Elias can be uncrossed as being John's parents.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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581hilary
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Hi there,
My mother's maiden name was Newman and have traced back to Elias Newman who married Frances Rigglesford. Would be interested if you have got back any further as have come to a dead halt.
Best Wishes
Hilary
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bobrob
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Hilary
Thomas Rigglesford bapt 1659 Lindfield
Married 1693 Lindfield, Anne Granby
John fifth child of 14 bapt Dec 26 1699 Maresfield
Married Jan 14 1730 Maresfield, Mary Older
Joseph the forth child of 12, bapt Dec 14 1735
married 1761 Framfield, Ann Martin
John forth of 10 children bapt May 24 1767 Framfield
buried 1846 Brightling
Married July 27 1791 Mountfield Sarah Roots
Frances bapt April 5 1795
third of 11 children
Bobrob
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581hilary
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Thank you, that information is very helpful. Did you have any more information about the Newman side
Best Wishes
Hilary 
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bobrob
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Hilary
All my research on John Newman Rigglesford is identical to that listed by Bogroll
exept John remarried 1876 to Eliza Staples
The 1898 Hampstead married of Streeter Newman could be father on son
have never checked on this.
The Joseph Rigglesford born 1735 was brother to my ancestor William born 1740
Bobrob
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581hilary
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Thanks a lot
Hilary 
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