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Topic: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891. (Read 2859 times)
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suffolkmawther
RootsChat Aristocrat
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Thank you for the kind greetings David.
I remembered today, that as well as Albert Edward being sent away to Bon Marche in Brixton and living in their hostel in Lambeth (huge list of young men and women in the hostel on the 1881), we also had a young Suffolk man sent to train as a draper in one of the stores in Cambridge - and he met his wife there, she was from Buckinghamshire, they returned to Suffolk to live.
Strange thing is all our drapery apprentices went on to run the family blacksmith and ironmongers in Fram - although we have not yet discovered which of them actually shoed a horse!
One of them was the Census enumerator for Fram too, think it was the 1871.
So all these drapers were of 'good family'.
http://www.senseofplacesuffolk.co.uk/ might have photographs of the centre of Ipswich at the time of your searches.
I attended a meeting at the SRO about a year ago when all of the participants* in Sense of Place were talking about a re-launch of the web site and more resources would be available via the web site. I can only think that either lack of staff or lack of finance has caused a delay in this happening. But keep looking back at the site 
Pat ...
Including Suffolk Local History Council
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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onefortheroad
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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I'll certainly do that, Greensleeves. It may take a while but I will get to the bottom of it - or as near as possible.
When I was growing up, Annie wasn't a topic for conversation in our family.
In fact, I was in my twenties before I knew of her existence. My Grandmother died when I was sixteen and any questions about forebears or origins while she was alive were actively discouraged.
As a result, now in my fifties, I still have a certain sense that there was something 'naughty' about Annie. It's a gut feeling born, I fear, out of the darkness in which her existence was always cloaked.
I've posted a parish record look-up request on the Norfolk section to try and find the birth of her brother (three years her junior and again no dad).
Maybe that'll shed a little light, who knows.
But I will keep you posted as to any developments.
Thanks and kind regrads,
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Good evening, Pat.
You'll probably have noticed a change in the way I view Annie's life.
The word 'flippant' probably best describes my attitude to her up to press.
A quick read of my last reply to Greensleeves may explain the light in which she has been cast throughout the family ; a bit of 'nudge nudge wink wink' to say the least.
I am now determined to get to the truth and put the whispers to bed with regard to Annie's life and just maybe get to know her !
The link to the EESOP site looks promising. I'll keep an eye on that over the next few months.
Thanks again, Pat.
Kind regards,
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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suffolkmawther
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1341
'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Hello David,
I did try a couple of searches on the Sense of Place web site, under Footman Pretty and Co a photograph came up that is at the SPS (Suffolk Photographic Survey) which states, Footman Pretty store but it is in fact their corset factory, shows the sewing machines in the old factory.
Tried putting in Footmans and no matches, tried Westgate Street and SRO has a couple of photographs taken in 2002 when the Queen visited Ipswich.
Not much luck 
My husband was at the Suffolk Record Office on Tuesday and was going through some photographs and noticed that although he had worked on the SPS and had identified many photographs, they were still not sorted out properly or they were labelled incorrectly (as they had been before he identified them).
We are both involved with the setting up of Framlingham Archive which will go on-line sometime this spring, similar to the photographic archive for the town of Sudbury - if only all Suffolk towns could have such a web site.
www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive leads the way.
Perhaps Annie, wherever she may be, is pleased that you are finally helping to dispell the myths and stories about her life and you may yet uncover the real story - I hope so.
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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onefortheroad
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Thanks Pat. And good luck with the Framlingham website.
Kind regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
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Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Hello again, Greensleeves.
You are quite right, it's haunted me for years; wondering who she was, why didn't her children have a father, why did she disappear and where to !
To put a little more flesh on the bones of the story; from her days at Westgate street, circa 1891, she is next found in Newark, Notts. where Constance's birth is registered in 1895. Three years later, Francis ( my GtUncle Frank) is born, apparently in Earsham. Three years later, on the 1901 census, the two children are down as boarders with the Bedwells. The next information I have is from Constance's marriage certificate dated 1 Sep 1919 : Father's name - Not known to her, adopted in infancy by Benjamin Bedwell.
I have quite a few postcards to Constance, my Grandmother, from her adoptive parents sent during the first war. Both she and her brother Frank seem to have had a loving upbringing with the Bedwells in Earsham. Indeed during the second world war, Constance's daughter (my mother) was evacuated to live with 'Grandma' Bedwell.
Boy do I regret not having pressed for answers while people with the knowledge were still with us. But howmany times has that been said...
One way or t'other, the truth Will out.
Regards, David.
ps; I will try to attach a photo of the two children with their adoptive mother taken during WW1. Hope it works !
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
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Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Crikey ! I don't know what happened there. Were they supposed to be life-sized ?
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Well I managed to get the photo where I wanted it, just not quite how I wanted it.
But thanks Greensleeves, it is quite a nice shot of them isn't it.
Yes you are right. Asthill is a middle name of both of them. The same thought re a fatherly connection had crossed my mind also. Problem is, where to look; Gt. Bentley,Essex, Ipswich, Newark, Earsham or any point in between.
It's a tantalizing clue but I feel it's pretty near impossible to trace. Shame !
Still, as I think I've said before, the truth will out.
Just a thought mid-typing.....what if he (Mr. Asthill) was a soldier? It would explain the moving around the country. They may have married after the birth of Frank. He may have been killed shortly after. But how would I check on that?
6 out of 10 David. Needs more work !
Thanks again, Greensleeves.
Regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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greensleeves
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Posts: 347
Greensleeves
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HiDavid -
Right.... now, was Mr A a soldier...? Let's be subjective here for a moment and work out if he was, why would Annie be in Newark? Well... it would appear that the Sherwood Foresters/Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry had a base at Newark. Bit difficult w these regiments because they all amalgamated & changed names over the years. However,these regiments did fight in the 2nd Boer War, the Royal Sherwood Foresters going to South Africa in 1899 and not returning until 1902, for example.
Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever that he was a soldier, but why not? Annie certainly wouldn't be the first well-brought up young lady to (as my mother used to put it) 'throw her bonnet over the windmill' for a handsome chap in uniform! Perhaps you have received a message from beyond!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Hi Greensleeves.
...."throw her bonnet over the windmill".... what a lovely picture that paints !
I've not heard that expression before; it makes the point beautifully.
Anyway, as you'd nudged me in the direction of the Sherwood lot, I Googled 'Sherwood Foresters Boer War' and it came up with a website which has a roll of honour.
This revealed : Pte 1240 G. ASTILL 1st Btn. Sherwood Foresters. Died of disease, 28 Aug 1900. Buried Krugersdorp Cem. S.A.
Wrong spelling of surname, but surely that would be quite common in those days, I would have thought : The 1901 census has a wrong spelling of Auston for the two adoptees ( it appears as AUSTEN).
However. Back down to earth.... it's still a long shot that things panned out that way. It'd be a miracle if it were that simple.
I'll have a rummage through the ether highway tonight to try and pinpoint a male Asthill somewhere in the UK. It's not a common spelling if the 'h' is actually correct.
Yes, Greensleeves, I could do with a 'message form beyond' -
"Speak up Annie...... you're breaking up !"
Converse with you later, Greensleeves.
Regards,David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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greensleeves
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Greensleeves
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Well, David, I got an attack of the 'psychic shudders' when I read your last message. Wow! Can that be the answer? As you say, it all seems too easy, but what a coincidence - the name, the regiment, Newark, the date....
As you say, t'will take a lot more research, but yes, it is quite possible that the name is mis-spelled as was common on those days. I must say I am quite flabbergasted at this turn of events....
And yes, my mother's phrase is rather graphically wonderful, isn't it!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Good evening, Greensleeves.
I've just looked in the mirror and my eyes are definitely starting to turn square !
No joy looking for a male ASTHILL though. On Family Search there are only sixteen with that spelling for the whole country across the centuries.
On the other hand, there are more ASTILL's than you can shake a stick at. And it seems to be a popular surname in - yes, you've guessed it - Notts.
But how to tie the two (Annie and G.) together, that's the hard part.
By the way, sorry if my last post sent a shiver through you. I must admit I was somewhat surprised myself - almost like a ghost jumping out from the screen. I wonder......naah!
Time for some more digging !
Kind regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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coombs
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Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi
Suffolk is known for its tranquility and peacefullness. In my opinion it is one of the most peaceful counties in England. I have many Suffolk ancestors who came from mainly the East but also some from the West near Bury St Edmunds and some from South West near Haverhill.
Ben
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Researching:
LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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