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Topic: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891. (Read 2858 times)
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greensleeves
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Greensleeves
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Hi David
Dammit, I'm sure Annie is at work here because I just typed a post and the thing disappeared! Still playing her games, I see - bet she was a real laugh at Christmas parties!
Anyway, I thought you might be interested to look at this website which shows Woodbine Place and Woodbine Square, which appear to have been adjacent. Although the area looks a bit grim in the photos, they were taken in the 1960s, probably just before clearance. But some of the properties were probably rather nice at one time.
http://www.leodis.net/
Glad you like my leopard. I started painting about two years ago, and although I paint all sorts of stuff, I find painting animals is becoming a bit of a passion, because they are so, so beautiful.
Greensleeves, with glass of white wine
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Morning Greensleeves.
Thanks for the link. It's a good site - I've looked at it before,when researching another (less interesting) line of the family. I don't think there are going to be many photos of Woodbine Place in circulation although I'm off to Leeds library to check next week.
I had an unexpected message from a member yesterday, regarding a request for information I'd place on the Notttinghamshire section. I asked if anyone knew what kind of property 86 Appletongate was.
This member reckons it was one of a row of desireable Victorian houses and is still there. And to cap it all, they're going to Newark on Saturday and will take a photo of the house ! Isn't that just grand ! So as soon as they email it to me, I'll forward it on to you.
Going to see if I can find a marriage for Annie and Mr.Smith today - haystacks and needles spring to mind !
Will speak to you and Pat later.
Regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Evening all (said in my best Sgt.Dixon voice).
Well, I've had a really good trawl through the Yorkshire BMD website looking for a marriage for our Annie Elizabeth to her Mr. Smith.
Put it this way................how broad are our imaginations ? How flexible are we prepared to be with the facts ?
Bearing in mind that on the 1911 census, Annie was a widow named Smith :
1909 ANNIE E EASTWELL ( imagine that in handwriting) married Maurice Smith at Holbeck District Registered Office Leeds.
If that's not a step too far, bear with me....................
1909 Maurice Smith Death in York East District. That is where the 'widow' bit comes in.
If the actual dates fit, and I can see the parish records in Leeds next week, that would appear to be that with regard to her name on the 1911.
One other thing the YorksBMD through up, and one that I'm not at all sure I want to chase up, or even dwell on for too long :
1911 Annie Smith Death in the sub-district of Ardsley, Leeds.
I know there are probably an awful lot of Annies and an awful lot of Smiths in Leeds and it could be any one of them. But I don't want her life to finish when we've only just found her for goodness sake. We'll see .
Anyway, that still leaves the Asthill/Astill connection..............
Plenty more to come out of this tale yet, I feel.
Kind regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Hi all.
This is a liittle post by way of a thankyou to a RootsChat member who offered to photograph 86 Appletongate, Newark, Constance's birthplace , for me.
It would have cost me an arm and a leg to go and see the place in person, but this kind member was as good as their word and I received a set of photos by email today.
So many thanks, Larkspur.
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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So pleased to hear that Larkspur was able to help with the photographs in Newark for you David.
I shall be going to the SLHC office on Thursday, if you need anything I can call in on my way home?
Did you manage to find a marriage for annie and her elusive Mr Smith?
Off to bed, late as usual 
Night Night each,
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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onefortheroad
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Hi Pat.
I did find a marriage record that fits, if A.E.EASTWILL, presumably in handwritten form, could be interpreted as A.E.ASTHILL.
Everything else fits and the marriage was in 1909.
Unfortunately (fortunately for our purposes), Mr Smith (Maurice) died later that same year. This would make Annie, Mrs.Smith, widow, by the 1911 census.
Unfortunately, an Annie Smith died in Leeds later that year (1911).
So I really hope this isn't a true match and am going to Leeds library this week to do some digging there.
Larkspur came good with the house in Newark. I now need to find the family who were there circa 1898, when Annie was there as Housekeeper Domestic.
Yes Pat, on your trip to the SLHC, could you see if they have any information on burials for Beccles, Bungay and Earsham please. Sounds like a firm of solicitors!
I don't need the records, just the appropriate church yards for me to wander through looking for M.I.'s for the Bedwells (adoptive family) and Gt.Uncle Frank Auston. We'll be staying in the area for a week or two in May.
That would be great if you don't mind, Pat.
Speak to you later.
Regards, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Hello again,
Without looking it up - I have a suspicion that Earsham will come under Norfolk Record Office in Norwich. Beccles and Bungay should be with both Ipswich and Lowestoft.
I can check through the Suffolk Burial Index if you wish, and see who was buried and where?
Is it a search for anyone name of Bedwell and Frank Auston?
Better get supper started,
Back later, Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
Posts: 121
William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Hi Pat.
Sorry,forgot Earsham is actually in Norfolk. I think it's the Suffolk border that curls out around Bungay isn't it.
Anyway, the Bedwells (Constance and Franks' adoptive parents) lived in Earsham. So I'll have to check with the NRO for them.
But, unlike Constance, Frank didn't move away and I think he lived in either Bungay or Beccles with his wife Annie (not our Annie). He was certainly there, in his old age when I met him approx.1962ish.
Anything you can find will be great, Pat. But don't worry if you can't. I'll be down for a couple of weeks in May with time to kill then.
Thanks again, David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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greensleeves
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 346
Greensleeves
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Hi David - nice to see the house in Appletongate. So, this was where Constance was born. It seems we have built up quite a detailed picture, even without some of the vital facts! I am still amusing myself trawling through the G Ast(h)ills of the time, trying by process of elimination to try to find the likely one. I am assuming that he was the father of Constance, because all the dates fit, but of course I could be barking up the wrong tree. But after so long, I don't think we'll ever get any proof will we? As our soldier died abroad, his death won't be registered in this country. Equally, as a military man, he won't be on the census records either. So if I look for an invisible G Ast(h)ill....
Anyway, this is giving me hours of fun, albeit that I have absolutely nothing concrete to report. Hope things go well in Leeds - I find that one of my Sedgwicks was born in Leeds although the family spent most of their time crossing and recrossing the river between Middlesbrough and Hartlepool!
Regards
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
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William Henry Turner - the Grandfather I never met
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Hi Greensleeves.
I think you're absolutely right; Constance's father must be an ASTHILL/ASTILL.
I don't think Annie could have married him as Frank would then have had a different surname and a father on his birth cert.
Military must be favourite, but how we can prove it at this stage .........?
I'd love to know when Annie left Ipswich and when, let alone why, she arrived in Newark.
Plus, of course, Annie is using the Asthill handle in Leeds in 1911, so it wasn't merely a fad it had been around for sixteen years at least.
Don't know what I'll turn up tomorrow in Leeds. BTW, do you want your Sedgwick looking up while I'm there? Let me know if you do.
Speak later.
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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greensleeves
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 346
Greensleeves
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Hi David
Thanks for the offer re the Sedgwicks, but I've got them more or less. It's my Suffolk Pearl(e)s who remain obdurate!
I have just uncovered an ASTHILL of the right age from Norwich, so I'm off - digitally speaking - to meander down that particular track. I agree with you that the father MUST be AST(H)ILL and it couldn't just be a whim or an affectation. I think we might end up with an "on the balance of probabilities" situation, but nevertheless, it is an absolutely fascinating story.
Have fun in Leeds!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
RootsChat Member
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Evening ladies.
Well yesterday's trip to Leeds Library was a bag of mixed fortunes.
Had some success with the RILEY line of 1854 but research on Annie was an abject failure.
I had wanted to see if I could put a start date to her residence in Leeds and to prove/disprove the EASTWELL/SMITH link.
To search for Annie either side of the 1901 and 1911 census returns would mean rooting through the electoral roles. I could have as much time with these records as I wanted but was told there'd be little point ; at that time, you were only put on the electoral role if you were a) male, and b) moneyed.
Not to be deterred, I set out to find the marriage of Our Annie only to find that their marriage records for that period were no more detailed or extensive the BMD.
So, having had a look at where Annie's house used to be I called it a day and headed home.
I believe if the library had been less busy - the four staff were rushed off their feet, bless them - there would have been assistance available and other options may have been explorerd. I don't know.
I may be rash and send for the EASTWELL/SMITH marriage cert. to prove yea or ney. But I'll do some digging first to make sure Annie Eastwell is no more than a transposing error.
I wish the lady from the convent would get in touch with some good news. We could do with it !
Best wishes to you both - and anyone else who is following this saga.
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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greensleeves
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Hi David, Pat and all our readers (I've just noticed, prompted by David's last post, how many people have been following this story. Perhaps it should be made available in paperback!)
Anyway, so sorry that the Leeds venture was a mixed bag. I do think Annie plays games with us, and every time we feel we're beaten she throws a little scrap for us to pick up. About time she threw another one!
I've found a Frederick Astill in Bar Gate, Newark, aged 19 in 1881 census, Railway Clerk. Perhaps he got free rail tickets to Ipswich? Am going to follow him up and see if I can find anything else about him. Bit late tonight; have just got back from daughter's drama group and after hard week at work, don't feel strong enough to go onto A*y, because it's like a time-warp and suddenly four hours will have gone by and .... Am sure you know the routine!
All the best,
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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onefortheroad
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And a cold snowy good evening to you two.
Thought we'd got away with it this afternoon ; barely a dusting of the white stuff. It was sneaky and waited until dark - didn't think we'd notice.
Let the dog out just now, to perform his pre-bed ablutions, and couldn't get him back in till he'd left a pawmark in every square foot of virgin snow.
Seriously, we've had a good inch and will probably wake up to more.
Anyway, I bit the bullet and sent for the EASTWELL/SMITH marriage cert.
Having searched everywhere I can to try and eliminate her, this is the only way to make sure. Dispatch date is 6 Feb so I should have it by Saturday.
There is an Eastwell family in the area at that time with a daughter, Annie, of the right age but she seems to have married a Mr. Morgan. Anyway the one who married Mr.Smith is an Annie Elizabeth.
We will see what we will see, as they say.
Speak to you both later.
David.
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Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.
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suffolkmawther
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1340
'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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I will keep my fingers crossed that the certificate will help further the research into dear Annie.
I had just replied to a friend in Canada about the snow - Just let our little doggy out for his last wee wee of the day in the back garden and since we closed the curtains earlier, more snow has fallen, and yes, little paw prints everywhere. Thank goodness we can do so much on the internet nowadays.
Hoping to catch up with the research tomorrow afternoon 
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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